Where the F did Rupp's kick come from?

Natural wheel bounce, start/stop switch that the others don't, can't and never have possessed. Thats only way America is ever going to see a medal at 10k or 5K.

Nike FreEPO.

Your little boy Rupp has all of the ammenities a runner could ask for. Altitude house, muscle stimulaters, vitamins and supplements, and the all important crazy coach that will do anything to win.

his aerobic capacity can be maintained with his altitude "training". At the same time he can develop his speed with high intensity workouts. who needs distance runs when you have rbcs.

[quote]billcm wrote:

Then he improves his endurance and the same time develops a killer kick?

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You're wrong right here. His kick has always been in there and he didn't develop them at the same time. He developed his endurance and overall strength relentlessly for over half a decade, to the point where he probably didn't feel like he had a kick at the end of races beacause:

A) He was usually a little flat

B) He wasn't working on speed

."...develops a killer kick and drops about 6 seconds off his 1500/mile. How the hell does one do this?"

He was a 4:01 full miler (somebody will love that) in HIGH SCHOOL. And he ran that off of his strength work. He went to 3:57 FINALLY indoors at UW this winter, where the facility is arguably just as fast as outdoors if one were in peak shape there. People should have known that Rupp was a 3:57 (capable) guy last year and probably the year before but he just wasn't racing miles until 2008, and when he did he was forcing them and not really doing speed work. Heck even that 3:57 indoors looked extremely forced and tight. When I saw that I thought that he was capable of at least 4 seconds faster when he gets into a race like PRE and is just racing and not chasing the 4 minute mark.

But most importantly, indoors 2009 was the first time he ever applied speed work in any serious way. He ran 1:51 out of the gates indoor and then broke 1:50. Along with his fitness and speedwork, he started to BELIEVE and eventually to KNOW he could run very fast and kick. Combining the speedwork with that kind of self belief is what drew out the speed talent that was always there.

Remember, he outkicked Solinsky for 5K in 2007, and a week or 2 later he outkicked the field to win the Cardinal 10K claiming the CR. Spring of 2008 he outkicked the Adidas Meet 3K field to win that event. NCAA cross country 2008 he blasted the doors off Chelanga down the homestretch. All these were done before he really applied speed workouts along with shorter races. You now see the results, and you should know why Yoder-Begley and Goucher have been racing 1500's and 800's recently.

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Your little boy Rupp has all of the ammenities a runner could ask for. Altitude house, muscle stimulaters, vitamins and supplements, and the all important crazy coach that will do anything to win.

his aerobic capacity can be maintained with his altitude "training". At the same time he can develop his speed with high intensity workouts. who needs distance runs when you have rbcs.

Son, a kick is built in the weight room. Resistance to muscular fatigue is different than aerobic capacity. Anyone with any knowledge knows that. But keep trying to be smart.

you obviously didnt read the latter part of my post you numb-skull. He doesnt have to kill his legs doing high mileage because he has all of the aerobic enhancers. this means his legs are fresh for 200's and 300's.

And all this time I thought that 200s were building my kick...if Rupp hit the weight room a lot more this year and hence built his kick as a result he hides it very well. I read otherwise if you can get a handle on "Coaching Athletics" magazine from a couple months ago...Solinsky is on the article...I'll see if I can find it and post it.

In one of the post-race interviews, somebody asked Rupp about his kick and he said because his aerobic base was so strong, he hasn't had to run as much high mileage lately and could concentrate on more intervals. He used the phrase "tons and tons of 200s and 300s."

Right, although I stand no where near Rupp I had the same experience this Spring where running an average of over 100 miles per week through August and September for Cross season really helped me have a bang out Spring season and focus more on intervals and drop my 1500m from 4:12 to 4:04 and my 5K from 16:00 to 15:12. Here is the article I was talking about...good read: http://www.coachingathleticsq.com/success-10000

Some people are different.

Some build kicks by racing 8's and 15's. Others with 200 and 300 repeats. Others in the weight room. Others with hills. Others with distance, yes distance.

It all depends on the runner. Rupp just seems to have always had some degree of kick, not the absolute best, but very good.

He sharpened it this year with his 800-1500m racing, and likely some short repeats. His tactical smarts and endurance are going to take him a long way this year, and in many championship races.

He's been working on his speed a little bit.

Disagree, I think Yoder-Begley is kidding herself that closing in 67 is good, but Rupp has worked on the things that Bekele is great at - closing, and/or cranking it up from 2k out. Give Rupp some credit, he has improved in the race aspects (kick and sustained drive) that the Epopians have been been great at. Closing in 52, albeit a 1500, is a great start to matching them at the end of a 10K, and could be enough for a medal, but may not win it. Doing it after running 60's from 4-5 laps out is another thing, but he's worked on his sustained drive as well. Now, doing all of it at a faster pace is the key, and jogging these finals and winning indicate that he can go faster. The kid is in great shape, not sure how the time change to Europe will affect his performances, plus the long season(s) he's had, but Salazar/Vin did it right to have him dog the pace and just win - absolutely no point in pushing nationals or NCAA's. I don't think any American has been as ready to test himself against the 'new breed' of africans as Rupp is now.

I wish him the best. If he breaks AR's in 10k or 5k, or medals, all you toxic posters have the balls to get back on here and congratulate him.

Rupp won't be in the top 10 at worlds.

FYI Meb never did anything on the track at the world class level. The Africans made short work of him too. The Marathon is the event run by guys who can't cut it on the track... No big secret there.

How did he develop his "kick"?

He simply got in much better shape so he is not running near capacity. He is much fresher at the end of the race than the other runners.

Anyone can do this. Just go out and run the first 4600 of a 5k about 10 seconds a mile slower than you are capable of and see how fast you can do the last 400.

As others have said, in an all out race, Rupp is capable of running much faster than 27:52.

He has good form too. That really helps

bosn wrote:

Some people are different.

Some build kicks by racing 8's and 15's. Others with 200 and 300 repeats. Others in the weight room. Others with hills. Others with distance, yes distance.

It all depends on the runner. Rupp just seems to have always had some degree of kick, not the absolute best, but very good.

He sharpened it this year with his 800-1500m racing, and likely some short repeats. His tactical smarts and endurance are going to take him a long way this year, and in many championship races.

Ahh, the argument of the lazy expert. Based on this argument there should be at least one world class sprinter who only does distance runs.....cuz after all people are different right? Keep being smart.

He got Haile Gebrselassie’s PR wrong

# mysticism

epo

epo man wrote:

epo

EPO does nothing to increase your base speed. The epo users are more likely to be people with great endurance but not 52 closing speed like Rupp. That's why so many of that type never dare to record a 800 time in a race.