You're correct that Daws probably would not make many college travelling squads today. Post- college, when he was in his late 20s, he ran some decent 2 and 3 miles on the U of Minn. indoor track, which he was very proud of. I believe we ran some 2 miles around 9:05 and 3 miles around 14:00. In those days (late 1960s) that would have been respectable for even D1 schools. Ron was somewhat "speed-challenged" but maximized his talent more than anyone I ever trained with. He was one of the first to realize that racing the marathon required good leg-speed as well as strength and endurance. He saw the marathon's future belonging to guys like Shorter and Bjorklund, who were much faster at 2 and 3 miles than most marathoners of that era. Marathoning was changing from kind of a survival type race to one involving speed. Interestingly, Ron's PR of 2:20:23 seems unusually "pedestrian" for someone so well-known as he is. Years ago, I was talking with some English and NZ marathoners, and they were amazed that his PR was so "slow". They held him in such high regard, and just assumed that he would have been well under 2:20!