Shoplifters of the world unite

Sure they can have her arrested. Doubt if they will, though. They'll just tell her never to return to the store again or they will have her arrested for trespassing.

Is makeup returnable? I think I had a client once who still had the makeup and they told her it wasn't returnable. If it's not, she's gonna have to pay for it.

I was bored before I even began.

she must post n00ds as punishment

The parents should make her pay for it. If the manager calls the cops, the girl will just be getting what she deserves anyway, though I know that most parents think that it's their job to make sure that no one ever punishes their child.

If I were the family's attorney, I might suggest that I return the property and tell the store manager that it's from one of my clients, whose name I am not at liberty to reveal. I would be concerned that the store -- especially if it's part of a chain -- has one of those "no-tolerance" policies in place that a store manager might interpret as a requirement that a charge must be filed. A parent's well-intentioned order to "face the music" could become a serious stain on the kid's record. So that's my lawyerly advice.

If she does not face the humiliation of returning the items, she will steal again.

marijuologist wrote:

If she does not face the humiliation of returning the items, she will steal again.

Not if her dad requires her to pay my fee.

As someone who grew up alongside a sibling who did this kind of shit and watched my parents do nothing while his behavior got worse, I think it's the lesser evil to risk a stain on her juvenile record than to protect her from the consequences of her actions and miss out on an opportunity to nip the problem in the bud.

Just tell her not to do it again and make her get a job. Donate the makeup to some charity. The store will just throw it way if they get it back so that's a stupid plan. She's probably stealing from a huge corporation that won't notice the losses. If she gets arrested and her peers hear about it she'll be humiliated and resent her parents a lot. It's not like she assaulted or killed somebody.

The problem is with her materialistic and distant (just guessing here) parents. Getting her arrested isn't teaching her. It's the easy way out. You can teach her a lesson by making her live a more spartan lifestyle for a bit. If she wants a TV, computer, internet, car, she should get a job to pay for these things or do really well in school.

proudparent wrote:

Just tell her not to do it again and make her get a job. Donate the makeup to some charity. The store will just throw it way if they get it back so that's a stupid plan. She's probably stealing from a huge corporation that won't notice the losses. If she gets arrested and her peers hear about it she'll be humiliated and resent her parents a lot. It's not like she assaulted or killed somebody.

The problem is with her materialistic and distant (just guessing here) parents. Getting her arrested isn't teaching her. It's the easy way out. You can teach her a lesson by making her live a more spartan lifestyle for a bit. If she wants a TV, computer, internet, car, she should get a job to pay for these things or do really well in school.

Yeah, we wouldn't want her to feel humiliated.

If she returns it yes, it may go further and then onto her record.

Make up cannot be returned once it is opened so she would have to pay for it, which I don't think is an issue, it's more that once someone gets a criminal record it can be the catalyst for more crap happening and them starting not to care about the consequences.

I think the best option is the parents to sit down with her and explain she needs to put it right. All of the stolen make up should go in the bin (I am pretty sure you can't donate it to charity once it's opened because of hygiene issues).

The main thing is she needs to realise it is wrong. They need to punish her in some other way tho - I wouldn't get the store involved personally.

White kids need juvie too!

If her name was Kieshia or Tayanna you guys would be bucking for a 6 months visit upriver.

I-5 Runner wrote:

As someone who grew up alongside a sibling who did this kind of shit and watched my parents do nothing while his behavior got worse, I think it's the lesser evil to risk a stain on her juvenile record than to protect her from the consequences of her actions and miss out on an opportunity to nip the problem in the bud.

couldn't agree more. She needs to learn there are consequences to her actions. all you parents that think keeping her record clean is the most important outcome are a big reason the world sucks, no one takes responsibility anymore.

I would reel around the fountain, slap her on the patio, take her now. Remember, some girls are bigger than others, some girls are bigger than others, some girls mothers are bigger than oter girls mothers.

Juvenile records are expunged at 18.

Criminal Defense Attorney wrote:

Juvenile records are expunged at 18.

I thought they were sealed at 18, as in still there, but unknowable unless it's vitally important.

proudparent wrote:

She's probably stealing from a huge corporation that won't notice the losses.

Imagine if everyone had this mentality, what a crappy society we'd live in. Scary!

cassio598 wrote:

Criminal Defense Attorney wrote:

Juvenile records are expunged at 18.

I thought they were sealed at 18, as in still there, but unknowable unless it's vitally important.

No, expunged. Our state law says it's not untruthful nor unlawful to answer "no" on an application that asks whether one has ever been arrested or convicted of a crime if that arrest or conviction happened as a juvenile.

Sure her record may be stained, but thats the whole point of our justice system: you do something wrong, people should know about it. Its not fair for someone to steal and not have a criminal record as a result.