Is anyone else outraged that these women think they're entitled to keep their Olympic relay medals?
Marion ran 25% of the final race. The medal is for TOTAL time, not individual legs.
Someone please give me alegitimate reason why they should keep them. Their alleged innocence is completely irrelevant.
I agree that all should lose there medals. However, there are past cases where only one member was stripped. So they definately have the right to argue.
Where is their pride though its been scratched from the books. Its like me finding a gold medal and just keeping it. Meaningless
They should keep their medals until Marion Jones shows up at their doorstep to retrieve them.
yo mama wrote:
Someone please give me alegitimate reason why they should keep them. Their alleged innocence is completely irrelevant.
How about because they are appealing and the court of arbitration has yet to make a decision?
How about because there is precedent in the past where similar things have happened and the others did not lose their medals?
The case where the athletes didn't lose their medals:
(a)was different because the DQed athlete did not run in the final and (b) was a horrendous precedent because, again, you can't get to a final if one member of a relay is disqualified.
I believe that case allowed Michael Johnson to keep his medal count intact, right? Ugh.
I can understand how hurt they must feel. But it's only right to give the medals back. Hopefully, their pride and common sense will overcome the immediate emotional reaction to the ruling.
They would have to pry those medals from my cold, dead hands.
yo mama wrote:
Is anyone else outraged that these women think they're entitled to keep their Olympic relay medals?
Marion ran 25% of the final race. The medal is for TOTAL time, not individual legs.
Someone please give me alegitimate reason why they should keep them. Their alleged innocence is completely irrelevant.
Should the Oakland A's give up their world series titles because Mark McGwire used steroids?
I mean title. In 1989
shut uppp wrote:
yo mama wrote:Is anyone else outraged that these women think they're entitled to keep their Olympic relay medals?
Marion ran 25% of the final race. The medal is for TOTAL time, not individual legs.
Someone please give me alegitimate reason why they should keep them. Their alleged innocence is completely irrelevant.
Should the Oakland A's give up their world series titles because Mark McGwire used steroids?
absolutely, any team that uses a steroid cheat should be disqualified.
doug burke wrote:
shut uppp wrote:Should the Oakland A's give up their world series titles because Mark McGwire used steroids?
absolutely, any team that uses a steroid cheat should be disqualified.
Then all MLB teams would be DQ'ed.
Good luck with that! There will never be a world champion baseball, football, or (most likely) hockey team again!
shut uppp wrote:
Should the Oakland A's give up their world series titles because Mark McGwire used steroids?
McGwire has not admitted to steroid use, has not been convicted of steroid use, and has not had his records struck from the record books. I fail to see how the situations are even remotely comparable comparable.
If, however, he had admitted to and been convicted of steroid use, and all of his records and titles and awards from that period had been revoked then yes, the A's would have to lose their world series title.
since she cut across the infield and didn't run the curve - they are meaningless at this point.
Uncommon Letsrun Poster wrote:
yo mama wrote:Someone please give me alegitimate reason why they should keep them. Their alleged innocence is completely irrelevant.
How about because they are appealing and the court of arbitration has yet to make a decision?
How about because there is precedent in the past where similar things have happened and the others did not lose their medals?
yo mama wrote:
Is anyone else outraged that these women think they're entitled to keep their Olympic relay medals?
Marion ran 25% of the final race. The medal is for TOTAL time, not individual legs.
Someone please give me alegitimate reason why they should keep them. Their alleged innocence is completely irrelevant.
I agree that they should have to give the medals back, but I don't expect the women to see eye to eye with you and me. People see things differently when they are involved emotionally in a situation. It's human nature and we all do it. We've all been in a situation where we decide that we are in the right even though we'd see the whole situation differently if we were outside observers. So, I think that they should have to forfeit the medals, but I don't fault them for putting up a fight.
shut uppp wrote:
Should the Oakland A's give up their world series titles because Mark McGwire used steroids?
Personally I'd say yes... when that starts happening more often, then maybe people will stop turning a blind eye to steroids use.
However I will concede that there are some team sports where it could be argued that if one player was missing from the field, the team could have won anyway. This is clearly not the case in a relay event where Marion Jones ran 25% of the race.
No Marion Jones = distance not completed = DNF
They are no more entitled to those medals than any other competitor or team that DNF's at the Olympics.
Yeah, I do think the As should have to forfeit the title if McGuire was proven guilty. Actually, I think the best way to solve the drug problem (aside from better and frequent unanounced testing)... is to increase accountability to your teammates by enforcing penalties on the entire team. Of course, there would be tons of whining but if teams were penalized, the franchise would suffer financially - and in our society, profit provides the ultimate motivation for change.
mcgwire all but admitted to steroid use in the congress hearing. its pretty obvious he was using. he did admit to using androstenedione during his record breaking season in 98. andro is now a banned steroid even though it wasn't at the time. if that isn't doping i don't know what is.
It's proper that they give back the medals bu am I outraged that they don't want to? Of course not. If I were in their place I would want to keep my medal as well.