Stubborn Women

I was making a similar point last week on a thread, but I got beaten down by the "it's none of your business personal choice elites wear them too" crowd.

The geniuses said the odds are small they will hurt someone else so it's none of anyones business.

There was even a woman who said she wears one and I should shut up because she is faster than me and can out run trouble.

Here it is:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2216175&page=0

it might be a personal right but it's not a smart thing to do.

Do Like I Do wrote:

You should have pulled her into the bushes and raped the shit out of her. She would have learned a lesson she wouldn't soon forget. Some women you just have to teach the hard way.

i know i'm tired when i actually lol'ed at this.

I actually see more men wearing them. Just last night, I ran past a guy off in his own little iPod world. He couldn't hear me coming from behind, so I guess I must have surprised him and he jumped to the side, which happened to be right in front of me. We nearly collided. He didn't hear me until I was right next to him, so who knows what I could have done if I were a "pervert out there looking for some trouble," (but I'm not going to jail for nobody).

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

I actually see more men wearing them. Just last night, I ran past a guy off in his own little iPod world. He couldn't hear me coming from behind, so I guess I must have surprised him and he jumped to the side, which happened to be right in front of me. We nearly collided. He didn't hear me until I was right next to him, so who knows what I could have done if I were a "pervert out there looking for some trouble," (but I'm not going to jail for nobody).

Such an odd post. Difficult to even think of a response.

Perhaps you never noticed the gender bias in the sexual assault stats. Then again maybe you have a completely valid point.

Then again maybe you are a complete schmuck.

ipods - why do people make up ridiculous reasons and stories about why they shouldn't be worn?

I use on ipod and I can hear/see people around me, I do not wear headphones for races or workouts and I do not run in the middle of the road so I guess I am safe.

Please just admit that you don't like them for one reason and on reason only - the are associated with penguins and hobby jogger types.

That is the only reason I will respect as a response. Please no more convaluted stories about how dangerous it it is when people use them while running.

To me, this point is not even arguable. It's a straightforward warning of caution to all women out there that seek to find an excuse to why they should wear an Ipod, at night, alone, in freakin trails and parks. I have a sister who is 23 years old and love her dearly; if she was flexing her feministic rights by literally running aimlessly in the dark with music blasting in her ears, leaving herself vulnerable for whatever wants to have her (including loose dogs and coyotes)I would hope and pray someone would pull her by the side and get her in check with a warning.

And, to say "men wear them more than women" is absolutely dumb. I'm sorry for the conservative, straightforward talk, but that's just absurb. The sexual assault ratio for men:women compared to men:men is so skewed its not even worth measuring. I have yet to run into a female runner 6'0 and 225lbs. attacking some man on a run or a man that size trying to take another man's johnson. It just doesn't happen.

I'm not saying throw your electronics away...hell, its actually none of my business what you wear when you run. What I am saying is (and I will not apologize for being concerned) ladies practice precaution when running at night by being much more aware of your physical and auditory surroundings, which involves leaving those things at the house. Use them in the morning when you go for a morning run.

I agree, it's stupid to take out one of your senses. Even if you had the music down low it's still impairing your hearing to a certain extent. However, I think it's worth thinking about why it isn't safe for people to do what they want, and how personal choices are taken away. It isn't the women or men wearing the headphones that are the problem. It's the predators out there who are.

Around here we get a lot of WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE OUT ON THE STREETS AT NIGHT but there's never much of MEN SHOULD NOT BE RAPING WOMEN. The focus is shifted.

Point taken.

Men, stop raping women. Does this help you feel at peace now?

I think the penal code makes that point clear.

Women -- You're at greater risk than men and often weaker. Especially if the assailant takes you by surprise and has a weapon. Be smart.

track chick wrote:

Around here we get a lot of WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE OUT ON THE STREETS AT NIGHT but there's never much of MEN SHOULD NOT BE RAPING WOMEN. The focus is shifted.

You are an idiot. When have you ever seen anyone suggest women shouldn't be out at night here? We are talking about headphones on a dark running path.

We can sit here and argue all day long about what is right and what is wrong. The fact is, unfortunately, there will always be bad people in the world and YOU have to take steps to protect YOURSELF from these people.

You make assumptions and no need to start throwing names around - it's easy enough to have a conversation without name-calling.

"Around here we get..." was a reference to where I live. I've seen lots saying women shouldn't be out at night. You probably get it in the USA too. Of course people should look after their own personal safety. As I said originally, headphones impair one of your senses so they're a bad idea.

I'm not the idiot - I didn't misunderstand what someone was saying.

Christ, you can see why people stop reading here, how hostile.

my daughter trains with an Ipod shuffle.Same piece of music, exactly 2 minutes long. She has to get to the end of her

700 meter reps before the music stops, an 800m training version of musical chairs,; works like a dream, keeps her on pace.

I lived in Milwaukee for a year and ran pretty much everywhere there. Downtown, the East Side, Lakeshore, and some pretty bad parts of town, too. I did happen to run by a young, small, soft woman who was jogging at 11:00 at night with her headphones on. I was amazed. Just a week earlier, one of my good friends had been robbed in his apartment by three men with guns at point blank range in this exact same part of town. What is this chick thinking?

A part of the problem is many women think they are so tough. Just last week I talked with a girl about a topic related to this. She gave me the whole "I'm really strong" routine. I bet she would have trouble bench pressing the bar. She was overweight by a significant margin, soft, no muscle, 19 years old. Newsflash: if you are an average sized woman you have no to little chance against a man. To make matters worse, these are RUNNERS(as in even smaller and weaker than the average female). And the sad thing is, a lot of female runner will resort to the "Well I will just run away from him" argument. What the hell? Do you think the guy is gonna walk up to you and challenge you to a 2 mile race and if he beats you he can THEN rape you? No, he's going to come OUT OF NOWHERE and grab you. And do you think a female runner is going to outsprint a man? What average guy can't out-sprint a female? A fatass maybe. Not to mention what typical jogger/runner female is a damn good sprinter, able to outsprint men. Very few, I'd imagine.

It's easier to get women to NOT go out at night/day in desolate areas with headphones on then it is to make a man stop rapping women. Use some common sense!

Got an idea.

All of the men here should agree to run at least one night a weak with a hat pulled low and fake blond pony tail hanging out with earphones w/o music on. Stick-on earings would be a good idea too. Shuffling and head-bobbing is encouraged.

Wait for some dude to cat call you or grab you, rip off your hat and beat the living sh!t out of him.

Waddya say? (strapping on my tights right now)