Does 50 percent of your VO2 max really come from the first 20 miles of your overall mileage?

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16 years ago 10/12/2007 12:26pm EDT

re: solomonrichards

There's a difference between elite results and non-elite results. For most people, 50-60mpw can be done with a time commitment of 5-8 hours a week. You can also sprint competitively on thie level of commitment, and you can still "have a life." Not so on 120mpw. If you're Bob or Meb, having no non-running life to push your running from 13:26 to 12:58, beat Kenyans at some meets, be an Olympic finalist or win a medal, and pull in a big paycheck from Nike, makes sense.

If you're a postcollegiate who did not at least qualify for NCAAs, having no life for a performance gain of 4% when you cannot win anything meaningful makes no common sense. Even if you become a B qualifier, it doesn't mean very damn much to most people unless you actually get into the Olympics or WC.

Stupid runner tricks.

16 years ago 10/12/2007 9:19pm EDT

re: father time yes

father time yes wrote:
FiftyOne wrote:
well sonny I call bullshit on your calling bullshit!
After taking a few years off I ran for 10 months averaging 20mpw.Off this meager milage I ran a 16:45 5000 on the track.Five years prior I ran 15:58 off 40mpw.If you take into account the aging process from 44 to 49 that leaves about 15 seconds difference over 5000 on double the miles!So go run ur galldang junk put them big numbers up all ur doing is wearing out your body and maybe if you don't get injured running a tad faster off way less and way more fun training.See OA is right about alot of things.Now some runners respond to miles and some runners respond better to quality .The best runners get a big boost from both they call them the top dogs the rest of us are just having fun
I call bullshit on your calling bullshit of his bullshit. Your 16:45 wasn't off 10 months of 20 mpw. It was off that plus a lifetime of running.

I started late, running at 39.No life time of training in the legs.In fact I ran a 29:56 five mile race after 4 months of training about 20mpw in my first race.That was 4 months after starting to run from having been a couch potato.I went out and ran hard 3 or 4 days a week.My mistake was reading all the bullshit training books.I RAN HOW I FELT WAS RIGHT!Fast forward 12 years and guess what I run hard 2 days a week and at 51 can probably beat over half the posters on letsrun!Oh and btw I am nothing but a hack with a tad bit of talent.All you guys are so full of selfimportance.Running is running nothing more nothing less.It feels great and is good fun.You can get serious and really test yourself but it is still nothing more or less and most people really dont give a f*)(ck.

16 years ago 10/12/2007 10:07pm EDT

re: solomonrichards

Sol! I haven't you on this site in YEARS! What are up to these days?

16 years ago 10/12/2007 10:11pm EDT

re: Avocados Number

Phillip MacQuitty

Freshman, Palo Alto High School. 9:13 off 18 mpw of training.

This season bumped into the mid 30s and running mid 15's for cross country 5k.

somebody else can do the math.

16 years ago 10/12/2007 10:59pm EDT

re: Trollie McSockpuppet

I love discussions about VO2 max when it comes to performance. Anyone who thinks that a higher VO2 max will lead to fast running should go back to the mid 80's so they can suck again

My VO2 max was measured when i was at peak fitness at age 21 to be 79.8. Whats even more interesting was that I peaked out at 81.5 but I decided I didn't want to give that last 1% so i quit.

Also along those lines, my hematocrit was measured to be 51 a few months ago. I was a little dehydrated so I tried it again a few months later and I was a 49.8. My doc asked me if I was on PEDs.

According to those numbers I should be able to run about 28:00 for 10k. If that were true I'd be running for a living not writing on message boards. :-)

My PR is 32:03 for 10k.

16 years ago 10/12/2007 11:51pm EDT

re: Avocados Number

Avocados Number wrote:
Sol! I haven't you on this site in YEARS! What are up to these days?

It would seem he's been dramatically improving his mastery of the written English language.

Remarkable improvement.

16 years ago 10/13/2007 12:00am EDT

re: giffypop17

Go back and proofread it a little more carefully. :)

Anyway, Sol was a fun guy to have here, and always gave a spirited (and, in my view, generally correct) defense of Arthur Lydiard. I hope he checks back in.

16 years ago 10/13/2007 12:05am EDT

re: bw

You just don't WANT it badly enough! :)

I agree that discussions about VO2 max are almost always a waste of time. Dopey members of the exercise physiology set pushed VO2 max like a religion, and it still has its ardent followers. Many people remain more impressed by high VO2 max figures than they are by good performances in things like . . . you know . . . actual races.

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