DII teams...

Look, the care level isn't in the BOb Firman meet, it is at regionals, at the same course. I know the guys tempo'd to get a feel for the course. Race or not, they did what they did.

And that was my quote "they MAY have beat chico". ON PAPER, if you theoretically place WWU's runners in the order they should be in, it would have been a closely contested race with chico likely taking the win based on the 5 man. However, putting the WWU runners where they should be, it is 4 wwu runners in before 3 chico runners, which, in your words, "remotely" speaks to them beating chico.

THe guys on WWU's team aren't thinking about whether or not they would have beaten chico had they raced, so don't put words in their mouth.

Let us all just get excited for regionals so that we may "put up or shut up."

i am with you on way too many big meets - at all the levels - remember when griak was THE meet, what all the way back to, last year - hahaha, no more

the kiwis at western always seem to do well

how many kiwis they got - did kim hogarth "tempo" the shootout

Right. I think the Dellinger meet will mean the Griak will not reach its former status as long as they fall on the same weekend. And this weekend is ideal, since it falls two weeks before prenats.

Can't blame it all on the Dellinger though. BYU and Providence have run their in the past but went to Notre Dame this year. I guess I shouldn't complain... NAU won the Griak today and I'm current going to school there.

Idk about wwu tempoing it, if they were speaking to each other in the begining of the race to, "lets go beat Chico"!

then i think they had other plans!

There is no way that WWU would be talking about beating Chico before that race. If there was any time they should start talking about beating Chico it should be right now after looking at those Stanford results. This is the weakest Chico team in many years. They are by no means bad this year, just not dominant like in the past and WWU is much improved. Stanford is a faster course than Sundodger, and WWU's times from Sundodger are better than what Chico put up at Stanford. If Bauhs breaks his redshirt then Chico will definitely beat WWU. If he doesn't, then it will be a fun race to watch.

Stanford Times = Sundodger, or pretty close

Check out times from last year @ both.

I'd also venture to say Willamette is = to both as well.

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ACU beat Arkansas @ OK State.

So which DII teams will round out 2nd-4th @ Nats?

The South Region is a little weaker than usual. With Harding redshirting there top 2 and Florida Southern graduating some of their top guys the top two teams aren't as strong as usual. The South region has three spots for Nationals, and the battle for 3rd should be interesting, with teams like West Florida, Tampa, and Alabama-Huntsville all fighting for the last spot. But Please don't put the South region in the same category as the Southeast region, because it stinks. A down year for the South region is still better than the Southeast any time.

harding is redshirting their top 3.

Great,

So there will be 5 teams ranked at the end of the year from those regions. There will be 7 teams that were or should be ranked at home from the North Central and Great Lakes.

This qualifying situation has to change.

I am going to draft up a proposal to either go to at large bids or to not make the last national rankings based off of the national meet results.

The system in place might have been good for when it was created but the free rides for teams in the southeast and at times the south, need to end. Too many good teams are left at home and the national field becomes less competitive.

GVSU at Notre Dame:

Peck 24:25

Hammer 25:16

Young 25:25

Holm 25:27 (Open Race)

Gale 25:32

Polk 25:50

Fall 25:53

Southern Ind at Louisville:

Jellema 24:34

Sirbek 25:06

Alvarez 25:09

Zielske 25:24

Mannix 25:39

Dixon 26:09

Davies 26:28

Tight race at regionals.

I have Louisville being about 20 faster than Notre Dame.

GVSU will be safe.

Having run both courses I would say Louisville is 10 sec faster. Both blazin courses though.

Actually if you compare Jellema/Peck, the times line up pretty good. Actually Jellema got the better of Peck last spring. Likewise Sirbek and Hammer line-up according to last spring. I think it's a close race if run today.

TMoney wrote:

GVSU at Notre Dame:

Peck 24:25

Hammer 25:16

Young 25:25

Holm 25:27 (Open Race)

Gale 25:32

Polk 25:50

Fall 25:53

Southern Ind at Louisville:

Jellema 24:34

Sirbek 25:06

Alvarez 25:09

Zielske 25:24

Mannix 25:39

Dixon 26:09

Davies 26:28

Tight race at regionals.

Notre Dame was a 5 mile race not 8k so you have to take that into account, so what 10 seconds faster if it were 8k.

who cares neither will get top 3 at nationals.

nope it will be Adams, Abiline Christian and Mines.