What Are Your Thoughts Regarding This Workout (Part 2)?

My thoughts: why the hell are you even asking this question?

West Texas Drifter wrote:

My thoughts: why the hell are you even asking this question?

This is the letsrun discussion forum. That is a proposed running session. What are your thoughts regarding it?

just run baby, just run.

Skuj wrote:

This is the letsrun discussion forum. That is a proposed running session. What are your thoughts regarding it?

Weird defense. What's to be discussed, what are your questions here? You can't just command discussion, you have to foster it. Fine, here are some "thoughts regarding it":

What is the context for this "running session", in terms of the training week, the training phase, and the race focus of the runner(s) that would be doing it? You can't just isolate one single run in a vacuum to analyze it. You are smart enough to realize that, aren't you?

Skuj, sounds like a hard, but manageable workout. Probably a type of workout I would do every 2nd or 3rd week. Myself, I do weekly long runs w/ the last 20 minutes at MP. Total -12-16miles.

-RD

The workout I liked when training for longer distances was:

20 minutes comfortable

20 minutes MP

20 minutes comfortable

20 minutes MP

20 comfortable

20 MP

Worked well, liked it a lot.

West Texas Drifter wrote:

Skuj wrote:

This is the letsrun discussion forum. That is a proposed running session. What are your thoughts regarding it?

Weird defense. What's to be discussed, what are your questions here? You can't just command discussion, you have to foster it. Fine, here are some "thoughts regarding it":

What is the context for this "running session", in terms of the training week, the training phase, and the race focus of the runner(s) that would be doing it? You can't just isolate one single run in a vacuum to analyze it. You are smart enough to realize that, aren't you?

It's obviously not a session for kids. Nor is it a session for sprinters.

If you are a Half Marathoner or a Marathoner specialist, would this session be useful once a week? Once every 2 weeks?

Obviously it is not a session for "off season" either. :)

Skuj wrote:

It's obviously not a session for kids. Nor is it a session for sprinters.

Thanks for nothing, you think you couldn't have left that out?

If you are a Half Marathoner or a Marathoner specialist, would this session be useful once a week? Once every 2 weeks?

Why not? Give it a try and see how it works. Nothing is guaranteed to work for every or any runner.

Obviously it is not a session for "off season" either. :)

Well why not?

Skuj wrote:

120min continuous:

60min easy

30min at Marathon Goal Pace

15min at Half Marathon Goal Pace

15min easy

This one has way too much intensity in the middle portions. Reduce the middle 45 minutes by half to make this more effective.

(Aside to Skuj: Rather than post random workouts on letsrun, why not seek out a qualified coach in your area to help critique your training program and provide you with a fundamental understanding of training philosophies. It will be time well spent.)

Thank you for the first comment, "Jim".

That's what this thread is about. Your thoughts regarding this session.

West Texas Drifter wrote:

Obviously it is not a session for "off season" either. :)

Well why not?

Well, 2hrs with those paces in there would likely be for when you are into serious training. Would you agree?

Why would you ask?

Depends on the athlete.

Jim's right, get a clue and find someone with enough expertise in your area that you can steal ideas from, er, get feedback from.

West Texas Drifter wrote:

Why would you ask?

Depends on the athlete.

Jim's right, get a clue and find someone with enough expertise in your area that you can steal ideas from, er, get feedback from.

I second that.

Road Dog wrote:

Skuj, sounds like a hard, but manageable workout. Probably a type of workout I would do every 2nd or 3rd week. Myself, I do weekly long runs w/ the last 20 minutes at MP. Total -12-16miles.

-RD

So, you're back Andrew Skujins! How was your "holiday"? Do no think you fool any of us with your obvious sucking up with this post. We seee right through your charade. Your Skuj bashing has been well documented. Why don't you go back on holiday take a few more photos of yourself for your web site?

Here we go again! :(

Ciao.

:-)

Skuj wrote:

120min continuous:

60min easy

30min at Marathon Goal Pace

15min at Half Marathon Goal Pace

15min easy

What is the goal of the workout? Without this information it is difficult to assess the efficacy of the workout.

A while back I had worked with Mark Davis and he had me do a workout like this, but with longer sections: 4 miles easy, 4 miles comfortable (slightly uptempo - maybe 80% max HR), 4 miles hard (marathon pace because I was already tired), 4 miles easy. If I recall correctly he said one of the better but not super-elite marathoners of the late 90's used to do this workout often. (The name escapes me.) The sections I was running were longer and more endurance specific, but the idea is there.

He's gone so I'll step in. There is no goal or efficacy. Discuss.