Moroccan kids doping in plane sight?

I heard storys of kids in morocco going to a place to get a vitamin injection, sounds a bit strange to me?!?

She is 99.9% a cheating cow. There has appeared this year about 15 ( atleast) wrld class Moroccans . Not a coincidence.

Have just noticed that Abdelatif is back competing post-ban with an 8:22 this year.

huh? wrote:

It was officially admitted that the following countries ran a state-wide doping programs during 70s and 80s: DDR (East Germany), Bulgaria, USSR, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary, Poland. Well, almost the whole Eastern European block with the exception of Yogoslavia and Albania, but with the inclusion of West Germany, Austria, and Netherlands.

Where is Yogoslavia?

What drugs were the Austrians taking? They can't have been much good.

Looking good,

What annoys me is that you never think it can be yourselves; the do-gooding, all american saviours of the uneducated rest of world are never in the wrong. Its always them not US.

Well well, in 2000 guess what, IAAF stated USATF were covering up your dirty athletes... if that isnt a national doping program id like to know what one looks like!!

"The International Amateur Athletics Federation, track and field's world governing body, accused USA Track and Field of covering up drug tests."

You want to know something else?

In america i hear all the time "yeah another dirty african"... well guess what the rest of the world says when it watches athletics...

"there goes another dirty american sprinter"...

you have the rep my friend.

Huh! Should you have added Athletics West to your list? Oh, that's right, only the Americans are clean.

Too good you'd never misspelled anything... It was Yugoslavia (or as we write Juhoslavia). Austrian bodybuilders (one of them is one of the major figures in the politics of your always-on-the right-side country), sprint cyclists, Tour riders, football players.... were well known to be supplying some of the Eastern European athletes with the drugs, when they thought that their federations weren't giving them enough (search for the case of Machura- great shotputter who got caught on overdosing with anabolics supplied by Austrian buddies). I don't have to mention many Notherland's cyclists and their early deaths from amphetamins and steroids (later from EPO), not even that former west Germany was as dirty as east Germany as regards to their doping program.

If your only knowledge of language wasn't English, you'd know much more. But of course it's easier to pretend that you own the world, right?

Looking good wrote:

Its a problem wherever it is easily available.

You are doing no better by pointing the finger back at them.

brit1500 wrote:

yes but i am pointing the finger at the finger pointer which cancels out my pointing.

usa is dirtiest nation out there.

national doping program for sprinters.

wise up.

If you want to talk about football, lifting, or anything else you need to be big for, then yes the US has a lot of steroid use.

If our distance runners have been taking drugs, they haven't been working.

Not every sprinter is dirty either though. The US has the best and deepest sprinters, just like Kenya usually has the best and deepest in the distance races. Drugs aren't the only reason the US has 12 of the top 12 400 runners of all time.

I'm sure you know all about the US, being a Brit and all *eye-roll*

We haven't come up to US yet... there is so much that had been (and still is) covered up that it would take too long to list. Most of the greats from the past were involved in doping, although it wasn't run by state (at least not officially, unlike in the countries mentioned above).

Huh?,

"It was officially admitted that the following countries ran a state-wide doping programs during 70s and 80s: DDR (East Germany), Bulgaria, USSR, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary, Poland. Well, almost the whole Eastern European block with the exception of Yogoslavia and Albania, but with the inclusion of West Germany, Austria, and Netherlands"

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I happened to be on one of those national teams that you mention. Nobody ever approached me with anything, unless they drugged me in my sleep or put stuff in my drink when I wasn't looking.

There were no meetings with the communist secret service on planning how to outperform the West by cheating.

I'm not aware of any "admissions" by the countries you have listed,either, except of course for DDR.

If there were rogue individuals and even groups of individuals doing it on their own, that is a different side of the story. There were plenty of cheating jerks go around, and even to create the illusion that there was state-sponsorhip involved.

And before you put together list of offenders, maybe you should look at your own country. America hasn't really been exactly the beacon of "clean" athletic prowess recently. Carl Lewis, Meriam Jones, Tim Montgomery,Justin Gatlin, Regina Jakobs, Mary Slaney and even Eddy Halleybuck turned out "dirty". Shit, I forgot, Eddy is Belgian. You get back credit for that!

But do you get what I'm saying here?

All this on top of the image of steroid woozing baseball players who hit homeruns out of the city, and wrestlers who kill themselves and their inocent family members, and Dateline NBC stories of High School students taking roids just to get bigger. Bigger and dumber ... like you.

Stop pointing fingers and putting false accusations on the web, its not a good time.

Brit1500, you keep making reference to the dirty American sprinters. Thanks for the heads up- I don't think there are too many fans in the US who would argue that our sprinting corps has been clean, or is even totally clean right now.

The point is, this is de facto a distance running site. Sure, there are discussions about sprinting, but the overwhelming majority of running related threads on letsrun are about distance and mid-distance. How many threads are there when Webb runs fast, and how many when Tyson Gay runs fast?

So, while it is correct to point to the dirty American sprinters, it's not relevant. The discussion, as fas as I see, is about Moroccan distance runners, so the corollary would be to American distance runners. By and large, I believe that most American distance runners are clean. I may be wrong. There are examples of dirty Americans, like Regina, Eddy, and perhaps some of the Athletics West athletes, and there may be more, though I don't think so. I just don't think there's much evidence of doping among the current group of US distance runners, and I don't see myself as a mindless, nationalistic fan.

Brit1500, you're giving us no new insight by pointing out that our sprinters are dirty. We hate dirty sprinters just as much as you, and we don't believe were the saviors of the world. I think it's prudent to speak out against cheaters wherever they are, and if they're in Morocco, then so be it. If we find evidence of widespread cheating among American distance runners, I'll lead the charge. Ok?

Peter

I agree with Peter. This is a distance running related forum.I appologize making the heated remarks in my previous post but I thought the poster, I argued with, was definitelly headed in the wrong direction.

...and by the way, that was brilliant Peter. I liked the way you adressed Brit1500, but you actually responded to my post. I still like it, though!

drunk runner wrote:

I wonder if the planes look plain.

mainly in spain

People worry so much about Moroccans etc on drugs - and then forget to look at who's behind many of the East Africans. Look at the backgrounds of Dr. Rosa, Jos Hermens, Woldemeskel Kostre and so on. Not all of them are doped, but not all of them are clean. These guys find a good responder they'll continue to give him "aid".

I suppose you were both speaking to the same point, but I hit reply to Brit1500's post, and was working off that when I responded. Thanks for the kind words,

Peter

brit1500 wrote:

yes but i am pointing the finger at the finger pointer which cancels out my pointing.

I always learned that when you point a finger at someone else, three are pointing back at you.

Peter, you like the rest of america, think you own what does not belong to you.

You do not own this msg board, no one owns it. It is moderated and is an opinion forum, the creation of people sharing opinions, a collective public discussion. A socialist idea, an invention flying in the face of american-individualism, so i like to think ho ho ho.

Of course the discussion on american sprinters is relevent. Its only not relevant when you dont want it to be. Stop controling other people, like your country does.

This is an american based site and there may well be three pointers pointing, but hear this, the rest of the world is pointing at you, thats almost 200 countries, pointing at YOU. That is the insight I am giving you, you may not be aware but

1) hardly anyone outside of america likes america or american athletes

2) the world laughs at your dirty track programme.

huh? wrote:

Too good you'd never misspelled anything... It was Yugoslavia (or as we write Juhoslavia). Austrian bodybuilders (one of them is one of the major figures in the politics of your always-on-the right-side country), sprint cyclists, Tour riders, football players.... were well known to be supplying some of the Eastern European athletes with the drugs, when they thought that their federations weren't giving them enough (search for the case of Machura- great shotputter who got caught on overdosing with anabolics supplied by Austrian buddies). I don't have to mention many Notherland's cyclists and their early deaths from amphetamins and steroids (later from EPO), not even that former west Germany was as dirty as east Germany as regards to their doping program.

If your only knowledge of language wasn't English, you'd know much more. But of course it's easier to pretend that you own the world, right?

Wow. I'm not American. I speak three languages. Where's Notherland?