Is This US President Scenario Possible?

Coelacanth wrote:

Remember that the 12th Amendment bars anyone from being elected as vice-president that could not be elected as president. So your interesting scenario could only work if he went the Gerry Ford route. Wikipedia has a good discussion on the issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#The_relationship_between_the_22nd_and_12th_amendments

The scariest line in that is a reminder that Jimmy Carter is still eligible to be elected.

Oh yeah, because he's totally the dark horse in '08.

Coelacanth wrote:

Remember that the 12th Amendment bars anyone from being elected as vice-president that could not be elected as president. So your interesting scenario could only work if he went the Gerry Ford route. Wikipedia has a good discussion on the issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#The_relationship_between_the_22nd_and_12th_amendments

I liked that discussion. The 12th amend shouldn't matter to the Speaker though. The reason the outcome is unclear and why the Gerry Ford route may not be the only route for Clinton is the difference in wording between Art II and 22nd Amendment. Art II and 12th amend refer to eligibility for office, 22nd refers to election. Wikipedia correctly says that Clinton can't be elected again, it doesn't say he can't serve as President again - he might be able to, we don't know because the law is unclear.

I doubt there was an appeal, whichever side lost could've appealed to the Supreme Court where the outcome was clear based on Bush v. Gore - they wouldn't remove the VP they just installed, although had they replaced Cheney we would have the interesting case of Joe Lieberman as VP.

I would like to see Hillary as Pres and Obama as VP.

Alan

Yes he was, he just wasn't removed from office.

I like the Gore-Bloomberg ticket.

Runningart2004 wrote:

I would like to see Hillary as Pres and Obama as VP.

Alan

NO.

onetwenty09 wrote:

I like the Gore-Bloomberg ticket.

GOOD GOD NO.

Impeachment = trial. not removal. he was impeached.

The requirement of having the Prez and Veep from different states was established when our country was formed, when the sectional differences were acute and relations strained. It wasn't until after the Civil War that a president and VP were from the same part of the country. Even in modern times it is rare--I remember people remarking as much when Clinton chose Gore.

It really has very little relevance now except to upset political junkies.

May feel this way about the 2nd amendment. At least Cheney's consistent, though; none of the constitutional amendments, or, even the constitution itself applies to the likes of him.

Doc Holiday wrote:

The requirement of having the Prez and Veep from different states was established when our country was formed, when the sectional differences were acute and relations strained. It wasn't until after the Civil War that a president and VP were from the same part of the country. Even in modern times it is rare--I remember people remarking as much when Clinton chose Gore.

It really has very little relevance now except to upset political junkies.

Especially when Gore can't even carry his own state.

Personally, I think that the electoral college simply functions to preserve the two-party system. Sure, there's some stability in that, but I think it's provided for political stagnation and an awful lot of establishment.

mattk wrote:

Impeachment = trial. not removal. he was impeached.

You are right. I admit misunderstood the term.

But then the question which I replied to becomes, "should we allow someone who was tried but acquitted to become president. "

There's a quote in Once a Runner about biggest blunders and one of them was the Electoral College - I don't remember the other 2 (maybe fighting a land war in Asia, or was that Princess Bride) but he was right on all three.

That was from the Princess Bride:

Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...

I am all for Hillary winning the office. Bill just f-ing up all the Republicans and turning the US into a dictatorship led by the Clinton family. I'm all for it!

Runningart2004 wrote:

I would like to see Hillary as Pres and Obama as VP.

Alan

I would like to see a unicorn.

I don't see what the problem is with Obama saying he wants to paint the white house black. While he is in office what is the problem? Only problem may be that Hillary will have a fit!