Ed Moran - Going to Osaka??????

We have a bunch of guys that run sub 13:28 at Mt. Sac (way too early) and then get beat by a guy that doesn't have the standard. This sport sucks.

Its because people have no patience and that includes the coaches. Interesting how Schumacher has 2 guys who are going to make the team and one right behind in Solinsky. There just aren't that many good distance coaches around anymore who can get their guys to buy into the "end result" matters principal. If you don't know what I am talking about listen to Teg speak..there is a master plan.

The young people on this board need to understand that Track isn't just about setting fast PR's, it's about competing at championship events and running fast there..not MT. Sac.

Tell that to Jonathon Riley when he doesn't get to run at Osaka because he doesn't have the B standard. Maybe he should have run fast at Mt Sac.

Did they change the rules? I thought if three were going they all needed the A standard.

Uhh wrote:

Tell that to Jonathon Riley when he doesn't get to run at Osaka because he doesn't have the B standard. Maybe he should have run fast at Mt Sac.

I agree. It is actually more important to have the A standard. Ritz is the most obvious example of a flawed system. Other countries sometimes require a fitness test (even if the runner has the A standard). Those countries can't afford ($$$$) to send runners who can't be competitive.

Thoughts on fitness tests for our runners??????

Per IAAF rules:

Up to four (4) competitors per individual event may be entered into the World Championships if all four (4) have met the "A" qualifying standard. Only three (3) will be allowed to compete.

If one, two or three competitors have the "A" standard and one has the "B" standard, all may be entered, but a maximum of three will be allowed to compete.

Only two (2) competitors per individual event may be entered into the World Championships if only the "B" standard has been attained. Only one (1) will be allowed to compete.

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If your top runner has the A standard then 3 (A or B) may compete. A trumps B.

If your top runners only has the B then only 1 may compete.

What do you mean by a "fitness test"? Is running the A standard and finishing top 3 at the national championships not a good enough fitness test?

A "fitness test" based on a result from April or May for a meet held in August or September is irrelevant.

i kinda like running wrote:

What do you mean by a "fitness test"? Is running the A standard and finishing top 3 at the national championships not a good enough fitness test?

There is a fair time lag between nationals & world champs. Fitness can decline & injuries can occur during the interim. Other countries want to know what can you do at worlds, due to $$$ outlay. They can't afford to send a bust. Should Ritz have been sent to Athens? Did anyone really expect him to do much there?

Also, there were 3 months between 2000 trials and Sydney Olympics. I know what the system is now; can it be improved upon with a fitness committee.

Personally, I am pulling for Jon Riley; I think he can do it....in perfect Euro conditions. It would be disappointing if Ed Moran got to go, based on a performance from April.

ok, i get it now.

desert rodent wrote:

Personally, I am pulling for Jon Riley; I think he can do it....in perfect Euro conditions. It would be disappointing if Ed Moran got to go, based on a performance from April.

Why? It's not like Moran finished 12th in 14:20.

It's also not like Ed Moran hasn't finished immediately outside of advancing from every preliminary round in which he has ever competed in his life.

Why would it be disappointing if Moran went to Osaka? The selection procedures are what they are. Everyone agreed to them when they joined USATF. If Riley doesn't get the A standard (and I don't think he will), then who are you to say that he should have gone instead of Moran? Moran has already proven himself. So what if Riley has been deemed one of the poster boys of American distance running... that means nothing if he can't run the times that Moran is running right now! If Riley can't get the A, then Moran SHOULD go. End of story.