New York Elite Runners from the past

Did we forget...Tim O'Brien??

What about just below the line runners Art Hall, Mike Cleary, Rudy Robinson, Matt Centrowitz, Lou Vaszquez??

Track Fan wrote:

Pete Squires- 2:19, beat a lot of the guys listed below

Odis Sanders- 2:14 marathoner, 29 min 10K

Pat Petersen-2:10 marathoner

Sal Vega- Won Asbury Park 10K, 2:14 marathoner

Brian Harshman- Mid 28 min 10K

Joe Lemay- 2:13 guy, 28 min 10K

Bill Krohn- Mid 13:30 guy

Luis Ostlazaga- 2:14 marathoner

Tom Fleming- 2:12 guy

Pat Petersen was definitely world class. 7th at London (89), 4th (84), 3rd(85), 4th(87), 10th(89) in the NYC marathon.

Charlie Marsala, Abel Kiviat

Bob Beamon, John Carlos

I'll give you Centro, forgot about him. The others were very good local/regional runners. But none of their best races came close to World Class. Rudy Robinson in the 82 Asbury Park 10K just dipped under 30 minutes almost beating Shorter who had a bad day due to his foot. That race was won by Sal Vega.

coach wrote:

Charlie Marsala, Abel Kiviat

Bob Beamon, John Carlos

Coach, Beamon and Carlos weren't "just below" world class, they are legends of the sport.

any love for Frank McConville? Late 80s/early 90s frequent top-placer in middle road distances while working full-time on Wall Street?

Marty Ludwikowsky(sp?)

Ross Donahue(sp?)

John Gregorek

captain track wrote:

What about just below the line runners Art Hall, Mike Cleary, Rudy Robinson, Matt Centrowitz, Lou Vaszquez??

How is Matt Centrowitz "just below the line" or how are the other 3 even mentioned in the same breath as Matt Centrowitz and this is not a knock on the other 3...three of whom I know fairly well?

Nice of you to "give" Centrowitz. He should be at the very top of the list. Who else is an American Recordholder and an Olympian?

From back in the day wrote:

How is Matt Centrowitz "just below the line" or how are the other 3 even mentioned in the same breath as Matt Centrowitz and this is not a knock on the other 3...three of whom I know fairly well?

He didn't do squat on the international scene. Big fish, small pond syndrome.

Kivlan, Colon, Keough, Liquori, Belger, McCarey, Sieben, Heck, Donohue.

Just a few.

World Class wrote:

From back in the day wrote:

How is Matt Centrowitz "just below the line" or how are the other 3 even mentioned in the same breath as Matt Centrowitz and this is not a knock on the other 3...three of whom I know fairly well?

He didn't do squat on the international scene. Big fish, small pond syndrome.

That's right he was only the American Record holder at 5000 meters at one time, made two Olympic teams and won 4 consecutive US champs over 5000m.

Certainly sounds like a "just below the line" guy to me.

He still has one of the 10 fastest 5000m ever run by an American.

From back in the day wrote:

That's right he was only the American Record holder at 5000 meters at one time, made two Olympic teams and won 4 consecutive US champs over 5000m.

Certainly sounds like a "just below the line" guy to me.

He still has one of the 10 fastest 5000m ever run by an American.

Zero impact on the international level, that's why he's just below the line. Big fish, small pond.

coachkritter wrote:

Marty Ludwikowsky(sp?)

Ross Donahue(sp?)

John Gregorek

Gregorek wasn't under the line. He was ranked 4th in the world in the steeplechase in 1981. He also ran a 3:51 mile.

Track Fan wrote:

I'll give you Centro, forgot about him. The others were very good local/regional runners. But none of their best races came close to World Class. Rudy Robinson in the 82 Asbury Park 10K just dipped under 30 minutes almost beating Shorter who had a bad day due to his foot. That race was won by Sal Vega.

Tom Farrell

Liquori is the best of that lot*, hands down.

*800m on up

World Class wrote:

From back in the day wrote:

That's right he was only the American Record holder at 5000 meters at one time, made two Olympic teams and won 4 consecutive US champs over 5000m.

Certainly sounds like a "just below the line" guy to me.

He still has one of the 10 fastest 5000m ever run by an American.

Zero impact on the international level, that's why he's just below the line. Big fish, small pond.

In the context of this thread Centrowitz was about as elite as one can get. There might be a few mentioned who had more success than he but to consider him below the line is just stupid.

Vince Draddy, Iona Prep