Project what realistically is going to happen in Iraq?

Sorry for the typo's, but I think we are going to need Iran, the Saudis and Pakistan supporting an Iraqi peace plan.

observer of nature wrote:

Sorry for the typo's, but I think we are going to need Iran, the Saudis and Pakistan supporting an Iraqi peace plan.

Pakistan? Why? It's not even near Iraq. What do they have to do with Iraq except for having a bunch of fundamentalists?

And Iran, doesn't have the interests in Iraq either. They are already sending people in there to blow places up. Iran is one of the most F***** up countries in the world.

Perhaps we should let N. Korea have a say as well? They're far away like Pakistan yet have nukes like Iran.

So you tell me what's gonna happen in Iraq?

observer of nature wrote:So you tell me what's gonna happen in Iraq?

Iraq will eventually be the straw that broke the terrorists back. They never thought America would see this through. The terrorists are beginning to see the futility of their ways and eventually they will crumble in defeat. Sure there will always be skirmishes of nutcases throughout the would but the majority of terrorist organizations will realize defeat and seek a better way of dealing with their own failings.

Have you seen Israel/Palestine? How about many parts of Africa? That's pretty much what you are looking at with Iraq.

Just ignore it. So long as you don't join the army, tt doesn't really effect you.

1. the violence will continue for awhile

2. eventually things will calm a bit

3. Bush will start pulling a few troops just to show that his plan succeeded somewhat and because he will be lynched if he doesn't

4. the new US president in 2009 will pull most troops out pretty soon after he/she gets in office, because the US population will want it, our military will be spent, and $ doesn't grow on trees. and because things have calmed a bit, he/she can say that they are not leaving the place in complete chaos.

5. Moqtada al Sadr will come back from his little vacation, and the Mahdi army will re-arm and be a major force in the country again

6. the violence will pick back up, as the Shiites take a no holds barred effort against the sunni insurgency

7. we will stay mostly on the sidelines because we won't the mistake of refing a civil war twice, but we will be nearby in case we need to selectively bomb some Al Q pockets

Of that I am sure. The next part is a little fuzzy, but the likely bottom line will be:

either...

8. Maliki will align himself with Sadr again, and they will both, with Iran's support (and the weapons and training we gave them), build a strong-arm coalition that will neutralize the sunni insurgency quite a bit

or....

8a. Sadr will build a new coalition that will push Maliki out, and with Iran's help, will dominate the gov't.

Either way, Sadr, his Mahdi army and Iran will be a major force in the future of Iraq. And eventually a strong-arm, shiite theocratic gov't that is friendly to Iran will emerge and that beats down any sunni uprisings with an iron fist (and the sunnis will mostly leave the country or base themselves in one part of the country). This gov't will NOT be friendly to us, and will be barely, if any, better than Saddam's gov't was as far as human rights and relations with us go.

And THAT will be what we will have achieved for a few trillon $'s, 1000's of US soldiers lives, 10,000's of Iraqi civilians lives, and many years. Will it have been worth it? OF COURSE NOT.

The Walrus wrote:

Iraq will eventually be the straw that broke the terrorists back. They never thought America would see this through. The terrorists are beginning to see the futility of their ways and eventually they will crumble in defeat. Sure there will always be skirmishes of nutcases throughout the would but the majority of terrorist organizations will realize defeat and seek a better way of dealing with their own failings.

HA HA.... good one George.

Now Mr Bush, shouldn't be in bed, resting up for another scandal to try and cover up?

The whole middle east will be vacated by the West in utterly shameful military defeat. The cycle has gone full circle, around again to the times of the dominance of the Ottoman Empire. Now Islam will determine it's own destiny. Israel will cease to exist as a state. Jews who can trace their families back to the start of the British hegemony will be allowed to stay, all other Jews from elsewhere will be evacuated back to Europe and Russia or from whence they came. Palestinians will recover their stolen and occupied lands and water resources. Palestinians will succeed the throne of Jerusalem, and become the caretaker of the three holy religions. Iraq will cease to exist, and split into 3 nations, for the Kurds, Sunni, and Shia. Iran will be the new dominant power in the middle east. Chechnya, other Soviet Islamic states, and Chinese Islamic states will become new nations. Jihadism and miltaristic Islamics will cease to to have a purpose, and wither away into the populace. Islam will reach new heights in the sciences and in civilization. Oil will pay the way to prosperity. The pain and suffering which Europe had brought with the British Imperialism, the Hungarian Zionism, and the American Crusades will have all been forgiven.

Only God Is Great.

Remeber that.

Only God Is Great.

Goodnight Hillary

Joe Lieberman wrote:

Islam will reach new heights in the sciences and in civilization.

HaHa! Good one.

Nobody's mentioned Kurdistan.

http://josephus109.tripod.com/kurdistan.html

Believe me, it's too far gone. Death is the only way now. Cheney got his money, while the real people get f-ed.

will be shipped back home in body bags

1. Overall, Iraq will gradually quiet down through the remainder of 2007.

2. The Joe Biden solution will take over. That is, Iraq will be dealt with as three vastly different administrative units. Kurdistan--nice and peaceful; Basra--pretty safe and manageable; Baghdad and central region, where all the bad stuff happens. Already Iraq is being treated this way: all these extra "surge" reinforcements are being focused on Baghdad.

3. Baghdad itself will have to be carved up into eight or ten administrative units in order to contain the most dangerous areas. This will cause an urban population shift, with most people trying to leave those areas and move to the safe neighborhoods (which will remain relatively safe because they've been cordoned off with troop reinforcements and military checkpoints).

4. By this time next year, even Baghdad will seem fairly quiet. Everyone can go home.

Pete wrote:

The only sure prediction is that whatever happens in the next four years won't be according to plan.

I wasn't aware there was one.

If the troops stay, and the surge works, the US needs for the Al-Saud family of Saudi and for King Abdullah of Jordan to put pressure on a number of the extremists in both their own countries and in Iraq. Jordan loses big time if we leave, already being a opposed to Iran and, then having a common border with Iraq, the flood of refugees will increase dramatically. Iran's government is winning big time right now. They have been building, and/or supplying the hardware to build the IED's and other devices that are killing our troops, and they have done so without the US government doing anything. Their special forces have actually gone into Iraq and killed Americans with nothing to lose. Iran also wins if we leave. Very scary, very sad. If I was a terrorist, I would convince my fellow terrorists to lay low for about six months, then the US would leave, and claim victory. Then run for elected office, then go to the UN and US and ask for billions in foreign aid, and then quietly start supporting state-sponsored terrorism all over. It has worked for the PLO since the 1960's. Why die broke when you can support terror, become the leader of your people, and win the Nobel prize just like Yasser Arafat.

The U.S. will withdraw the vast majority of its troops but will continue to operate out of its massive new "embassy," which is actually a military/spy base.

In effect, we will continue to occupy Iraq in order to ensure that Iran doesn't gain control of Iraq's oil. Outside the fortified embassy, Iraqis will continue to slaughter one another, and Al-Qaeda will settle into its nice new home. Together with the Sunni insurgents, Al-Qaeda will continue to attack U.S. government troops and mercenaries (e.g. the Blackwater rambos) whenever they venture outside the embassy compound.

The Bush legacy will be to give the U.S. its very own West Bank, an enormous financial and moral burden that will hasten America's economic subjugation to China.

The libs win the presidency and control congress. They declare Bush lied and made them vote for war in Iraq, it was all futile and every death there was a total and complete waste. They declare that America has lost and Iraq will be better off without us torturing and killing their people. Iran's president comes over and joins hands with Obama, Hilary or Edwards and in unison declare that the US is the Great Satan. The troops will be pulled, the mainstream media will declare a glorious, new day has dawn on the civililized world, the terrorists will throw a party, and dance in their caves and in the streets of Baghdad. They will post taunting videos of how they knew all they had to do was bloody our nose and we'd run home, they will plot new terrorist attacks since they now know we are too weak to fight. The media will continue to proclaim how peaceful the world is now that Bush and those warmonging Republicans are out of office. Israel will be attacked by Iran, the libearal media will proclaim how it is all Israels's fault and they deserve it. We sit back and do nothing, the middle east becomes a terrorist haven, the US is attacked over and over at home and abroad, all while the liberals find ways to justify their attacks and blame it all on Bush for going in to Iraq in the first place.

America, the Middle East and the entire world become the door mat to terrorism. But now the terrorists who, while making promises to the Democrats that they will be good little terrorists and not do anything bad, secure nukes and dirty bombs to use on the US while the Democrats smile and gloat about how safe they made the world.

The attacks in the US and around the world become more serious. Dirty bombs and denotated in the US and in other parts of the world. The America people wake up and realize only Republicans will fight the battles that have to be fought. However, before the Republicans can get elected, the terrorists know it's time to strike since they know the Republicans will fight back. They throw all their nukes and dirty bombs in the US which they planned for 8 years and we all learn how to degrade our women, bow to Mecca and kill and murder anyone who won't be forced to convert to Islam.