anyone have brian sell's time progressions for various distances over the years?
anyone have brian sell's time progressions for various distances over the years?
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johnny socko wrote:
anyone have brian sell's time progressions for various distances over the years?
He was supposedly a high school 10 min 3200 meter kid. His progression is what is most impressive about him. I have been dissappointed with the progression of Culpepper who debuted at 2:09. I also think that Meb has not developed any additional race tactics since the Olympics.
does he need more race tactics? the dude got a silver medal at the olympic marathon... i'd say his race tactics are pretty good
Progression check wrote:
johnny socko wrote:anyone have brian sell's time progressions for various distances over the years?
He was supposedly a high school 10 min 3200 meter kid. His progression is what is most impressive about him. I have been dissappointed with the progression of Culpepper who debuted at 2:09. I also think that Meb has not developed any additional race tactics since the Olympics.
There's a little bit of information at the iaaf site.
Yeah because going out in sub 63 with Mayio is just like the tactics he used in Athens. What the hell are you talking about?
I agree that Meb has only had one tactic. RUN WITH THE FAVORITE. That is what he did in New York in his debut. That is what he did in the trials. That is what he did in the Olympics (Larsen told him to run with Baldini). That is what he did in New York both times since the Olympic. That is what he did at Boston. The problem with that tactic is that you are always running someone elses race.
The worst part for Meb and this ONE tactic is that it bit him in the ass on Monday when he was running against a "team of Kenyans". They had a plan on how to keep Meb off of the victory stand and they knew that he would follow. He did and he lost.
If you don't want to open the pdf file linked below:
2004/02/07 US O.T. 2:17:20
2004/10/10 Chicago 2:13:21 (date mixed up with OT on the pdf)
2005/08/13 WC Helsinki 2:13:27
2006/04/17 Boston 2:10:55
Pretty damned good for just 4 marathons! And the USATF site says he owns the 5th fastest American 20k time (59:18).
Come again...say what? wrote:
The worst part for Meb and this ONE tactic is that it bit him in the ass on Monday when he was running against a "team of Kenyans". They had a plan on how to keep Meb off of the victory stand and they knew that he would follow. He did and he lost.
Meb ran a gutsy race. There may be some truth in the idea that he tried to cover every surge, while the eventual winner was coasting behind him. Perhaps if he had run a steady 1:03:15 half with no surges he might have placed second. Hindsight is 20/20.
MarathonMind wrote:
If you don't want to open the pdf file linked below:
2004/02/07 US O.T. 2:17:20
2004/10/10 Chicago 2:13:21 (date mixed up with OT on the pdf)
2005/08/13 WC Helsinki 2:13:27
2006/04/17 Boston 2:10:55
Pretty damned good for just 4 marathons! And the USATF site says he owns the 5th fastest American 20k time (59:18).
Keep in mind that 2:17 doesn't tell the whole story. He went out balls to the wall in that race. Anyone have his splits from the Trials?
He had the lead as late as mile 22 if that helps, so he was on about 2:12 pace.
Sell ran 4:28 in the 1600 in high school, which is much better than 10:10 in my opinion, both were done on very little running. He also ran 28:58 in college for the 10k in a race that he fell. The guy has a great genetic backround that has been brought out with hard consistant training over the past couple years.
Although I don't have his splits at the Trials he did run his last 2 miles in 15 minutes. He had as much as a minute and a half on the field. The conditions were windy and cold and no one in that field could have done what he did and made the team. My guess is he would have made it that day had he stuck with the pack.
Forgot to add that Sell ran a 4:08 indoors in college without training for the mile. So he might not be the best miler in the country but he certainly could be pushing low 4's if he had trained for them.
i'd be interested to see what his times were for various distances while in college. no doubt the dude works his arse off. he is gaining this rep as a scrub in high school and now blossomed into one of the top marathoners in the US through the blue collar work ethic with hansons. i didn't realize he had run some of the times for a 10k or others in college people have mentioned. clearly he didn't come completely out of nowhere.
college Pr's for Saint Francis: outdoors: 8:24 3k, 14:03 5k, 28:58 10K, 9:00 Steeple Chase,indoors: He never ran 4:08 in the mile unless he split that, 8:19 3k, 14:31 5K
I know also that he ran at d3 Messiah near Harrisburg for at least his first year, maybe second, before transfering. Although I believe he was good there, I dont think he got All-American in D3 while there (anyone know?). Bottom Line this guy is a one in a million with the time he dropped, and continues to drop. A 428 off not much in high school (believe he went to Northern Bedford, best known as the home of the Nastase Bros. of Pa Sports fame) indicates he also had a huge talent ready to be dipped into. But this guy has just worked throughout the years and when it comes race day he knows how to deliver.
not sure if these are pr's at messiah, but while there, sell set the stadium records at Lebanon Valley College in the 3k, 3k steeple, and 10k. times of 9:20.9, 9:38.8, and 32:13. the 3k was in 1997 and the steeple and 10k were in 1998, so maybe he spent 2 years there?
i wouldn't call running a 4.28 off minimal training a 'huge" talent but it shows he had potential to improve with consistent smart and good training.
his first marathon was actually a 2:21 to get his OT qualifier at Chicago in 2003. He'd run the world half the week before and just ran enough to hit the standard along with Trent Briney and few other Hansons