"They can’t get a tattoo but they can “gender affirming surgery""
If you're talking about a separate point that you'd like to make, I'd encourage you to make it.
My apologies I was responding to the larger point not the direct point you were making to "Yea right".
Surgery comes last and regardless the puberty blockers which are given to pre-pubescent children are just as damaging as the surgery and can be administered without parental consent in some states.
There are interesting and difficult questions about trans athletes in sports, and then there is whatever Letsrun posted this morning about a 15-year-old trans child trying to compete in her local track meet. As an initial matter, it doesn't take moral courage to single out a trans child trying to compete in her school track meet ("props to these middle school girls"). It's worse to highlight a NY Post article excoriating a trans CHILD for committing the crime of participating in sports.
Most of these children are not "boys trying to game the system," which seems to be your editorial perspective (and DEFINITELY the New York Post's), but rather adolescents going through a life-changing transition who happen to, when they're not busy being bullied or killed in a hs bathroom, want to compete in sports. So rather than cheering on a some hs girls who are ostracizing another student because they're salty that they won't win their local track meet, do just a tiny bit better.
Anyway, I canceled my Supporter's Club subscription. Before everyone chimes in, yes I know you don't care. But I wanted to articulate why in the mild hopes that RoJo/WeJo/Gault learn to bring a bit more sophistication and empathy to their analysis. Life isn't just who won a middle school shotput competition. And in your eagerness to display how Seriously You Take Sports, you are edging into a world of anti-trans hate that will debase you, and the integrity of your outfit.
“Waaah! I see things that contradict my worldview”
There are interesting and difficult questions about trans athletes in sports, and then there is whatever Letsrun posted this morning about a 15-year-old trans child trying to compete in her local track meet. As an initial matter, it doesn't take moral courage to single out a trans child trying to compete in her school track meet ("props to these middle school girls"). It's worse to highlight a NY Post article excoriating a trans CHILD for committing the crime of participating in sports.
Most of these children are not "boys trying to game the system," which seems to be your editorial perspective (and DEFINITELY the New York Post's), but rather adolescents going through a life-changing transition who happen to, when they're not busy being bullied or killed in a hs bathroom, want to compete in sports. So rather than cheering on a some hs girls who are ostracizing another student because they're salty that they won't win their local track meet, do just a tiny bit better.
Anyway, I canceled my Supporter's Club subscription. Before everyone chimes in, yes I know you don't care. But I wanted to articulate why in the mild hopes that RoJo/WeJo/Gault learn to bring a bit more sophistication and empathy to their analysis. Life isn't just who won a middle school shotput competition. And in your eagerness to display how Seriously You Take Sports, you are edging into a world of anti-trans hate that will debase you, and the integrity of your outfit.
This isn't about anti-trans hate at all but fairness.
I didn't post the article but it's made national news.
It's my belief that if women's sports are going to exist as a separate category they should be based on biological sex. Caitlyn Jenner, the most prominent transgender person alive, agrees with this viewpoint. Is that transgender hate? Martina Navratilova and other LGBT pioneers agree.
One could argue that youth sports should be treated differently than elite sport as inclusion maybe should trump fairness. But clearly the girls who stepped out of the ring don't agree and feel the male competitor in their event has an unfair advantage.
No one said the kid is trying to "game the system". This kid by all measures has been transitioning for a while. But that doesn't change the fact they are a male.
On a slightly unrelated note, I don't think anyone should be able to change their sex on their birth certificate. This person will always be male. Personally I think we should teach everyone that you can't change your sex. You can identify and dress how you want but your sex is immutable. That is reality. Gender is a social construct but not sex. Medically the sex you are might be relevant but I guess doctors could figure that out no matter what it says on your birth certificate.
Not sure why any government form would ask about gender but it sounds like in West Virginia you can change your "sex" which isn't reality. Best to teach kids a more realistic view of the world I think will help them long-term. Very few people were assigned the wrong sex at birth. Quite a few people may not align with the gender stereotype of their sex.
By no means am I saying this kids in West Virginia isn't sincere or trying to game the system or will even outgrow their beliefs.
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First of all, not entirely true with respect to tattoos. Many states permit underage folks to get tats with parental consent.
But more importantly, gender affirming surgery is only administered at least two years after a mental health evaluation to determine the patient's eligibility and one year of hormonal therapy. Just like tattoos.
Puberty blockers can be given pretty much instantly, in some states without the parents' knowledge. All you need is a therapist to sign off which for-profit clinics will happily rubber-stamp.
There's a reason northern European countries are all banning this
i remember the good ole days when an 8 yr old girl was allowed to play with ninja turtles and it was OK. The parents didn't decide they needed to block puberty because she liked Michelangelo's nun-chucks.
These parents are the sole reason this is even a debate. These kids would never decide this on their own without adults pushing them down that road. Its blatant child abuse. Europe has figured out this is a really bad idea. once your 18 and an adult, do you boo, live your life the way you wanna...but doing this to kids should be criminal.
There are interesting and difficult questions about trans athletes in sports, and then there is whatever Letsrun posted this morning about a 15-year-old trans child trying to compete in her local track meet. As an initial matter, it doesn't take moral courage to single out a trans child trying to compete in her school track meet ("props to these middle school girls"). It's worse to highlight a NY Post article excoriating a trans CHILD for committing the crime of participating in sports.
Most of these children are not "boys trying to game the system," which seems to be your editorial perspective (and DEFINITELY the New York Post's), but rather adolescents going through a life-changing transition who happen to, when they're not busy being bullied or killed in a hs bathroom, want to compete in sports. So rather than cheering on a some hs girls who are ostracizing another student because they're salty that they won't win their local track meet, do just a tiny bit better.
Anyway, I canceled my Supporter's Club subscription. Before everyone chimes in, yes I know you don't care. But I wanted to articulate why in the mild hopes that RoJo/WeJo/Gault learn to bring a bit more sophistication and empathy to their analysis. Life isn't just who won a middle school shotput competition. And in your eagerness to display how Seriously You Take Sports, you are edging into a world of anti-trans hate that will debase you, and the integrity of your outfit.
What's really ironic is that you come on to this messageboard and post because at its core essence, it provides a forum for exercising the freedom of free thought and speech (and it does so while allowing you/us to remain anonymous if you choose so). And yet at the same time you are upset about people exercising exactly those freedoms because you might happen to oppose it.
Do you understand the irony and hypocrisy of your arrogance and entitlement? God I love America - what a place. What. A. Place.
There are interesting and difficult questions about trans athletes in sports, and then there is whatever Letsrun posted this morning about a 15-year-old trans child trying to compete in her local track meet. As an initial matter, it doesn't take moral courage to single out a trans child trying to compete in her school track meet ("props to these middle school girls"). It's worse to highlight a NY Post article excoriating a trans CHILD for committing the crime of participating in sports.
Most of these children are not "boys trying to game the system," which seems to be your editorial perspective (and DEFINITELY the New York Post's), but rather adolescents going through a life-changing transition who happen to, when they're not busy being bullied or killed in a hs bathroom, want to compete in sports. So rather than cheering on a some hs girls who are ostracizing another student because they're salty that they won't win their local track meet, do just a tiny bit better.
Anyway, I canceled my Supporter's Club subscription. Before everyone chimes in, yes I know you don't care. But I wanted to articulate why in the mild hopes that RoJo/WeJo/Gault learn to bring a bit more sophistication and empathy to their analysis. Life isn't just who won a middle school shotput competition. And in your eagerness to display how Seriously You Take Sports, you are edging into a world of anti-trans hate that will debase you, and the integrity of your outfit.
I'm going to make a lot of things clear whether or not people agree.
I'm going to start by saying that if I had been born female, the behavioral patterns that people don't understand would have made more sense.
Having said that, I believe in gender fluidity because biological sex is assigned at birth but how you identify is different.
I bristle vehemently at jokes about Nikki Hiltz because, like myself, Nikki is non binary in kind but is Genotypically female as I am Genotypically male.
I also find that heterosexual people make awful jokes about people who identify differently as if it's acceptable
But my gist is a bit disappointed different. Imagine being effeminate and not even knowing what effeminate is because you're just living
A lot of people can claim that gender dysphoria is a mental Illness because it's a great capstone... but what about those who think and live normally until they are forced into fa---- status unwarranted ?
There are interesting and difficult questions about trans athletes in sports, and then there is whatever Letsrun posted this morning about a 15-year-old trans child trying to compete in her local track meet. As an initial matter, it doesn't take moral courage to single out a trans child trying to compete in her school track meet ("props to these middle school girls"). It's worse to highlight a NY Post article excoriating a trans CHILD for committing the crime of participating in sports.
Most of these children are not "boys trying to game the system," which seems to be your editorial perspective (and DEFINITELY the New York Post's), but rather adolescents going through a life-changing transition who happen to, when they're not busy being bullied or killed in a hs bathroom, want to compete in sports. So rather than cheering on a some hs girls who are ostracizing another student because they're salty that they won't win their local track meet, do just a tiny bit better.
Anyway, I canceled my Supporter's Club subscription. Before everyone chimes in, yes I know you don't care. But I wanted to articulate why in the mild hopes that RoJo/WeJo/Gault learn to bring a bit more sophistication and empathy to their analysis. Life isn't just who won a middle school shotput competition. And in your eagerness to display how Seriously You Take Sports, you are edging into a world of anti-trans hate that will debase you, and the integrity of your outfit.
I'm going to make a lot of things clear whether or not people agree.
I'm going to start by saying that if I had been born female, the behavioral patterns that people don't understand would have made more sense.
Having said that, I believe in gender fluidity because biological sex is assigned at birth but how you identify is different.
I bristle vehemently at jokes about Nikki Hiltz because, like myself, Nikki is non binary in kind but is Genotypically female as I am Genotypically male.
I also find that heterosexual people make awful jokes about people who identify differently as if it's acceptable
But my gist is a bit disappointed different. Imagine being effeminate and not even knowing what effeminate is because you're just living
A lot of people can claim that gender dysphoria is a mental Illness because it's a great capstone... but what about those who think and live normally until they are forced into fa---- status unwarranted ?
What's your answer?
People always take crap when they are different. Short people, hairy people, ugly people. People suck. Life's never been easy or fair. The answer is trying to demand the entire world accept your feelings.
People don't just claim gender dysphoria is a mental illness it literally is a mental illness.
If you think everyone around you should use special pronouns for you that they don't need to use for the other 7+ billion people on earth you are not thinking and living normally.
No one cares how you identify any more than they care how any other stranger identifies.
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There are interesting and difficult questions about trans athletes in sports, and then there is whatever Letsrun posted this morning about a 15-year-old trans child trying to compete in her local track meet. As an initial matter, it doesn't take moral courage to single out a trans child trying to compete in her school track meet ("props to these middle school girls"). It's worse to highlight a NY Post article excoriating a trans CHILD for committing the crime of participating in sports.
Most of these children are not "boys trying to game the system," which seems to be your editorial perspective (and DEFINITELY the New York Post's), but rather adolescents going through a life-changing transition who happen to, when they're not busy being bullied or killed in a hs bathroom, want to compete in sports. So rather than cheering on a some hs girls who are ostracizing another student because they're salty that they won't win their local track meet, do just a tiny bit better.
Anyway, I canceled my Supporter's Club subscription. Before everyone chimes in, yes I know you don't care. But I wanted to articulate why in the mild hopes that RoJo/WeJo/Gault learn to bring a bit more sophistication and empathy to their analysis. Life isn't just who won a middle school shotput competition. And in your eagerness to display how Seriously You Take Sports, you are edging into a world of anti-trans hate that will debase you, and the integrity of your outfit.
This isn't about anti-trans hate at all but fairness.
I didn't post the article but it's made national news.
It's my belief that if women's sports are going to exist as a separate category they should be biased on biological sex. Caitlyn Jenner, the most prominent transgender person alive, agrees with this viewpoint. Is that transgender hate? Martina Navratilova and other LGBT pioneers agree.
One could argue that youth sports should be treated differently than elite sport as inclusion maybe should trump fairness. But clearly the girls who stepped out of the ring don't agree and feel the male competitor in their event has an unfair advantage.
No one said the kid is trying to "game the system". This kid by all measures has been transitioning for a while. But that doesn't change the fact they are a male.
On a slightly unrelated note, I don't think anyone should be able to change their sex on their birth certificate. This person will always be male. Personally I think we should teach everyone that you can't change your sex. You can identify and dress how you want but your sex is immutable. That is reality. Gender is a social construct but not sex. Medically the sex you are might be relevant but I guess doctors could figure that out no matter what it says on your birth certificate.
Not sure why any government form would ask about gender but it sounds like in West Virginia you can change your "sex" which isn't reality. Best to teach kids a more realistic view of the world I think will help them long-term. Very few people were assigned the wrong sex at birth. Quite a few people may not align with the gender stereotype of their sex.
By no means am I saying this kids in West Virginia isn't sincere or trying to game the system or will even outgrow their beliefs.
You run a news site. You can have your opinions and write editorials, but the way they bleed into all of your running news coverage and your homepage curation is a disservice to your readers. Thanks to the OP for bringing up this issue as I had been noticing it, as well. I will consider canceling my supporters club membership as well, though as a journalist I have paid because I believe in supporting journalism that's worth paying for.
But I don't care what Wejo or Rojo thinks about trans women in sports. I don't want to know. And, most importantly, I do not NEED to know what they think, as someone merely interested in staying up on running news. This is an important issue in this sport, to be sure. But there are far more productive ways to cover it. Do better, Letsrun.
I'm going to make a lot of things clear whether or not people agree.
I'm going to start by saying that if I had been born female, the behavioral patterns that people don't understand would have made more sense.
Having said that, I believe in gender fluidity because biological sex is assigned at birth but how you identify is different.
I bristle vehemently at jokes about Nikki Hiltz because, like myself, Nikki is non binary in kind but is Genotypically female as I am Genotypically male.
I also find that heterosexual people make awful jokes about people who identify differently as if it's acceptable
But my gist is a bit disappointed different. Imagine being effeminate and not even knowing what effeminate is because you're just living
A lot of people can claim that gender dysphoria is a mental Illness because it's a great capstone... but what about those who think and live normally until they are forced into fa---- status unwarranted ?
What's your answer?
People always take crap when they are different. Short people, hairy people, ugly people. People suck. Life's never been easy or fair. The answer is trying to demand the entire world accept your feelings.
People don't just claim gender dysphoria is a mental illness it literally is a mental illness.
If you think everyone around you should use special pronouns for you that they don't need to use for the other 7+ billion people on earth you are not thinking and living normally.
No one cares how you identify any more than care how any other stranger identifies.
But my gist is a bit disappointed different. Imagine being effeminate and not even knowing what effeminate is because you're just living
A lot of people can claim that gender dysphoria is a mental Illness because it's a great capstone... but what about those who think and live normally until they are forced into fa---- status unwarranted ?
What's your answer?
In a perfect world someone that is effeminate just embraces that. That is accepting who you are. If that person decides they need to take hormones and have surgery to fit in, they are just falling in to the conformity trap. Reinforcing strict gender stereotypes. Interestingly enough the idea of strict gender stereotypes is a new thing. Someone that in the past would be accepted as a tomboy is now told they need to take hormones to fit in. It is pretty broken.
People always take crap when they are different. Short people, hairy people, ugly people. People suck. Life's never been easy or fair. The answer is trying to demand the entire world accept your feelings.
People don't just claim gender dysphoria is a mental illness it literally is a mental illness.
If you think everyone around you should use special pronouns for you that they don't need to use for the other 7+ billion people on earth you are not thinking and living normally.
No one cares how you identify any more than care how any other stranger identifies.
You can't just claim that without evidence...
How is gender dysphoria a mental illness?
I await your informed response.
The mental health profession uses a manual called the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) to categorize and catalog mental illnesses.
Gender disorder issues have been included for a very very long time.
The latest edition is the DSM-5 which came out in 2013. The term "gender dysphoria" was used for the first time in this edition because they apparently felt "dysphoria" was less hurtful than "disorder".
I'm going to make a lot of things clear whether or not people agree.
I'm going to start by saying that if I had been born female, the behavioral patterns that people don't understand would have made more sense.
Having said that, I believe in gender fluidity because biological sex is assigned at birth but how you identify is different.
I bristle vehemently at jokes about Nikki Hiltz because, like myself, Nikki is non binary in kind but is Genotypically female as I am Genotypically male.
I also find that heterosexual people make awful jokes about people who identify differently as if it's acceptable
But my gist is a bit disappointed different. Imagine being effeminate and not even knowing what effeminate is because you're just living
A lot of people can claim that gender dysphoria is a mental Illness because it's a great capstone... but what about those who think and live normally until they are forced into fa---- status unwarranted ?
What's your answer?
People always take crap when they are different. Short people, hairy people, ugly people. People suck. Life's never been easy or fair. The answer is trying to demand the entire world accept your feelings.
People don't just claim gender dysphoria is a mental illness it literally is a mental illness.
If you think everyone around you should use special pronouns for you that they don't need to use for the other 7+ billion people on earth you are not thinking and living normally.
No one cares how you identify any more than care how any other stranger identifies.
I'll also include that if you think gender dysphoria is about pronouns, you are nebulous purposely about what it really is.
People who truly have gender dysphoria would not likely describe it or ask for different treatment because they get different treatment based on just living.
It's not as simple as speaking in terms of alpha or beta because you can find different modicums of dysphoria regardless of sexual orientation.
If you think about life in a microscope, both men and women are arbitrarily judged on appearance, walk, talk, vocal timbre, vocal pitch, handshake, hairstyle, clothing style and overall choices of activity.
Within this is a "norm" that people decide is proper for a gender.
But most of your people who don't fit the mold aren't trying to be different. They've tried to conform but it doesn't fit.
Most of these children are not "boys trying to game the system," which seems to be your editorial perspective (and DEFINITELY the New York Post's), but rather adolescents going through a life-changing transition who happen to, when they're not busy being bullied or killed in a hs bathroom, want to compete in sports. So rather than cheering on a some hs girls who are ostracizing another student because they're salty that they won't win their local track meet, do just a tiny bit better.
This tells me all I need to know. You didn't follow the case at all and are just parroting Democrat talking points. She killed herself by overdosing
lol, the guy whining about "parroting" literally has a brainless rightwing chant as his screen name. Ok, dipstick.
There are interesting and difficult questions about trans athletes in sports, and then there is whatever Letsrun posted this morning about a 15-year-old trans child trying to compete in her local track meet. As an initial matter, it doesn't take moral courage to single out a trans child trying to compete in her school track meet ("props to these middle school girls"). It's worse to highlight a NY Post article excoriating a trans CHILD for committing the crime of participating in sports.
Most of these children are not "boys trying to game the system," which seems to be your editorial perspective (and DEFINITELY the New York Post's), but rather adolescents going through a life-changing transition who happen to, when they're not busy being bullied or killed in a hs bathroom, want to compete in sports. So rather than cheering on a some hs girls who are ostracizing another student because they're salty that they won't win their local track meet, do just a tiny bit better.
Anyway, I canceled my Supporter's Club subscription. Before everyone chimes in, yes I know you don't care. But I wanted to articulate why in the mild hopes that RoJo/WeJo/Gault learn to bring a bit more sophistication and empathy to their analysis. Life isn't just who won a middle school shotput competition. And in your eagerness to display how Seriously You Take Sports, you are edging into a world of anti-trans hate that will debase you, and the integrity of your outfit.
What you explain is not normal human behavior. If the child has nuts then he’s a boy. If not then she’s a girl. It’s not rocket science.
anything else exists in the mind, but we do not have athletic competitions of minds, its physical. it’s always physical, and boys are stronger.
that boy who thinks she is a girl, is not the only one wearing shoes to the event. think about others.
if you’d like to create a trans athletics competition then you are on to something positive for everyone.