I enjoy racing in adidas takumi sen 8 but after 10k or so they start to rub against my toes so they won't do for a marathon. Any suggestions for a marathon shoe that won't annihilate my toes and isn't too narrow? I've seen the Altra ones but reviews seem very mixed.
New Balance SC Elite v4 and SC Trainer v2 come in wide sizes. Mizuno's Wave Rebellion Pro 2 also comes in wide in Japan. The reviews say the Adidas Prime X Strung 2 can accommodate a wider forefoot.
I've got pretty wide feet. I've been able to comfortably wear New Balance's RC elites and Supercomp Elites. I had the Saucony Endorphin Pro 2 a couple years ago and was fine with it (but haven't gone back since switching to New Balance.) I'm sure Altras would fit fine, but I'm not a zero drop guy, and Altras have always just felt cheap in general to me.
Shoes I've tried and could not comfortably wear because they were Narrow: Nike Vaporfly Next%, Hoka Rocket X, Adidas Adios 8.
I don't have a shoe recommendation, but I have some advice. First, if the shoe is rubbing against the tips of your toes, it's too small. Go up a half size. If it's rubbing against the little toe, then the shoe is too narrow and/or too small.
I also have a wide foot. The Nike Vaporfly Next % and Hoka Rocket X are too narrow for me, but can wear them after making the following modifications.
1. Switch to a thinner sock. How thin? I wear running socks are no thicker than a t-shirt and that includes the bottom of the sock. Running socks that are thin on the sole are hard to find. Usually, even the thin socks have extra padding on the bottom, but if you search, you can find socks that are really thin. This one step can make a HUGE difference for a wide foot in a narrow shoe.
2. Skip the bottom set of eyelets or even the bottom two sets of eyelets to let the shoe expand a bit more in the toe box upon impact.
3. The original removable inserts in most running shoes extend slightly past the bottom of the foot and start to curve up the side of the shoe in the toebox area. This effectively makes the shoe narrower in the toebox. To fix this, remove the insert and trim off this excess width on the outside edge of the toebox area of the insert... maybe an eighth of an inch. You might need to trim the inside edge in the toebox area as well.
This is all good advice, and I have two more to add.
4. If 3 doesn't quite do it, just remove the insert completely. I've done this with several pairs, and never really missed them.
5. Make a small cut in the upper along the long axis of the foot, at the widest point of the toebox. For me this is typically right over the ball of the foot, and I either do it in the center, or occasionally two slits, one over the big toe joint, and one near the small toe joint. The slits only need to be about 1cm long, but this loosens the upper material quite a bit. I do this to almost all of my shoes, and I've never noticed any negative issues related to this. I picked this trick up from an elite miler who was sponsored by Nike back in the early '90s when almost all of their shoes were quite narrow in the toebox.
I have a slight wide feet. Can't fit into regular Pegasus in some years like the 40th version now. It's a tad too tight. I have no such problem with Brooks shoes. The VF3 fits me fine 1/2 size up. It's not that narrow. Same with Adios 3 even though their Boston shoes were too tight for me in the past.