Crazy plan to run the 800 in college

250 non-seniors ran 1:54.xx or faster last season. 140 ran 1:53.xx or faster. A&M is picking from within that 140 guys.

Simply not true if you look at some guys on their roster. They're not even a top 20 track and field team.

Grant Ashby is an 800 runner for them who only once ran a 1:54 and did that his senior year. Stop saying what you think and start checking facts. He never broke 50 in the 400 or 4:30 in the 1600 either. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Congress needs to BAN RUNCRUIT so HS kids stop bringing up BS recruiting times

I wince every time I say “did you look into the times needed” and a kid says “yea I looked at runcruit”

Don't get upset. Check with the coach. He won't respond to you. You don't seem to grasp Title IX at all. A person who does not score is a drain on the team. They take up a spot. You are making the point that we already have one or two guys who didn't run 1:54 in HS. The coach certainly doesn't want more of them and the current ones will get cut. Just watch.

Counterpoint: Stop complaining about it.

Runcruit is flawed and creates false hope for athletes that have no chance of making a squad. I often wonder if the flawed data used for distances is an off event. Maybe an 800 specialist running XC or a 3200m guy running one 800 as a sophomore. That's the only way the disparity of times could even be considered close to accurate.

Yes. Multi athletes throw things off also. They have some kid scour rosters and list what the worst person is inevery event. Sometimes it is the coach's kid. Sometimes it is a large donor. But usually it is an off event like you stated. Imagine going through the degrees of everyone working at Google and finding one with no degree and claiming that every high school grad can get a job there earning $150K.

youre a senior with a 2:12 to their name. you're more likely to never break 2:04 than you are to break 2:00 this year, let alone run 1:55 which is substantially harder than even 1:59. I can't think of any d1 school that would give you the time of day. its not them being rude, its just a numbers game. as others have mentioned, unless they think you have a shot at contributing at the conference meet one day, they won't give you a roster spot. I also don't think you know what a redshirt is, and are possibly confusing it with walk-on. if your goal was just to run in college, I'd say you have a decent shot especially if you improve into the range you think you're capable of this season. NAIA, d3, and smaller d2 may take a flyer on you but not a d1. I'd recommend just joining the club team at a&m and not kid yourself with a goal that is completely unrealistic. you'll have a much more enjoyable experience imo.

Bad point, you try and help a kid look at college but they want to just look at that crappy website instead of emailing a coach for walk on times because it's "scary" or take 5 min to look at TFRRS

Two facts, chico.

First, no one cares what you think you might run. You're too slow for D3 right now, let alone P5 D1.

Second, runcruit is garbage.

He is trying to argue with everyone. Many kids think that if they hit some type of time tha they are entitled to a spot. Try to get admitted to an Ivy League School with a 34 ACT since that is the average. What?? They reject thousands of kids who have a 36. The same is true of gettgin on a team. A kid is on the team with a 1:54 but they won't answer calls of many kids who have run 1:53.

bros saying facts over feelings as if he isn't imagining a scenario where he improves so rapidly that his current 400m PR becomes his 800m race pace 1 year from now. get real.

i guess you're going to post and repost this til you get the answer you want. to make a team you need to be better than their worst guy. as i said on the other thread, their slowest outdoor time is 1:50. their slowest indoors guy SB was 1:53. as the one poster said, they don't tend to carry a lot of excess runners at D1 for title IX reasons. nor do they tend to run meets on D3 "everyone gets in the meet" principles. so you have to be competitive to start with. if you had some amazing XC time and could make their team maybe they indulge you, but even that poses title IX problems.

here is the deal. you are a senior well into the season. they care about existing times and not aspirational ones. your existing times are over 2:10. until you get below 2 next to no one D1 will care you exist, even the weaker ones. and that's walking on at the weakest teams in the country that are almost D3 level.

again, you are basically a weak D3 runner right now and you are running out of time to do anything about it. your times would be tail end of both the conference i was in and the other few i considered.

TAMU is like one of "the" schools to go to, to run 800, with a team that competes for the national title. they have a well funded football team to stock their sprints. they are in a state where you better be low 1:50s to be in the state final. you are so far off they probably would not even let you try out.

you're not a junior with time. you're a senior who should be applying places that make sense to your current numbers, academic and athletic, as well as desired extracurriculars. if you go to TAMU you can learn all the dorky signals and be a 98%er watching the teams play. you will not be on the team. period. and there doesn't seem to be a club team where you could train in some other way and become "rudy." they will have limited space, cut serious runners who tried out, and not be interested.

if you want to run, go someplace else, and my suggestion is D3 or NAIA. you are out of time to do any "time fix" that doesn't happen within the next month. and as it is we are so deep into applications and admissions you might not be able to apply some other places, or to get coaching help to do so.

it's nice to dream but barring you go run a 2 tomorrow you aren't even D1. without a 1:54 or so TAMU won't care you exist, they have a good team already. right now you wouldn't make the cut at some good D3 that do cut people. you would basically make the teams that take everyone. which is not even meant as a slap so much as to channel this passion where it might possibly be requited. go where you will be wanted unless you just want to watch sports and go to parties at TAMU.

one thing these kids need to watch is if you're cherrypicking the worst time at something like 400 or 1500 that doubles as a decathlon event, that may be the decathlete's open time or time from a multi. kind of like you need to beware on the distance events whether an unusually weak time is a XC guy they threw a bone. unless you are as fast as he is at 8k they won't let you anywhere near the TF team to let you play around at the mile one time in some random small meet that lays down the bad time that gives anyone hope.

also, sometimes the worst time is the weakest runner in his first meet where he then drops it 5-10 seconds over the season, but is still the weakest 3 times. to beat him out you probably have to beat the SB and not his off/out of shape meet.

but this is academic. this kid is like 15 seconds+ from they even return your emails. there are dozens of others writing in. where i grew up you don't make 2:05 you're not in the final. you don't make well under 2 you're not podium. times every other area around the state. why are they plucking the 2:12 kid from obscurity. wake up.

suggesting an alternative dream -- go D3 and maybe if you get near or below 2 you can score points in the easier conference meets.

In reality, you're not going to make a career out of running. If you can get a good degree from A&M rather than going to a lesser school so you can be a back of the pack guy, do it.

You have a lot of life to live post college, dont limit yourself just to say you did. Also if you just love running/training, you can do that outside the construct of ncaa racing.

But also, feel free to say stuff you to all us doubting you. Do the work, get the times, make the team and crush it. Saying what you think youre capable of isnt worth anything either, so knuckle down and get to work.

Not to be a party pooper, but Texas A&M isn’t gonna roster you unless they see immediate potential to break 1:50, which would probably mean you’d need like 48-49 in the 400m and 1:52 in the 800m bare minimum.

BUT, 6’1 165-170 is just about ideal for a 400-800 type guy, and you sound like you have a lot of room to improve. You need to get that 400m down, about 53-54 should get you into breaking 2:00 territory, and if you have the athleticism to be a college recruited swimmer you probably have the potential to be a great 800m runner too.

TAMU is not the best school in the state. it's not even the best state flagship in the state (UT is). it's a good solid state school but rice and several others are better test score schools. what it is, is cheaper and if you want to do an engineering or ag degree. or if you adore the whole 98% goofiness.

to me you have SAA/SCAC/ASC D3 from colorado across texas to the south. you have D1-D3 in california. you have some great academic schools from D1 and D3 midatlantic-new england, ivy, patriot, nescac. some good schools upper midwest D1 and D3, UAA, MWC. not sure if your goal is go good academics and track you end up TAMU. there's better academics. there's makeable track.

this is why i say figure out what you want from college then look for those type schools. the folks who pick schools then try and force what they want suggest wild stuff like this. you picked TAMU because half the state does. now you want it to offer something it won't. not the way recruiting works.