Kenzie Doyle = Most Improved NCAA female???

I'm sorry, but running 90 mpw for a 1527 5k (especially with most under 7:00) is training way too hard. I know many people who ran far faster (<14:15) off around 60 mpw, jogging easy days and with relatively easy workouts.

Well, if she continues improving the way that she has been, then I assume we’ll be seeing much more of her going forward. Someone mentioned her on the BU Performance Lists thread saying that she was over-seeded at 15:32. Good for her beating that

I mean, it seems to be working clearly. Did you read her progression in the original post?

Also, how many women do you know who’ve run <14:15??!! There’s only like a few of them all time lol

I didn't see the operative word here (female). I was thinking of low 4:0x milers moving up.

Not to nitpick, but 2020 outdoor was cancelled (Covid cancelled it), so she could've been faster than 5:22. I'm assuming that was just indoor. She could've been a lot faster outdoors in 2020. But still, good progress!!!

Wait til she hears about cross training.

Her father was on an NCAA championship team at UTEP in 1969. Her entire family were very successful runners.

Regardless of what her high school times are, she has some of the best genetics in the NCAA. Her brother Brian ran at Providence and is now coaching at URI.

Here is an article about her father and family.

runnerspace.com

Rhode Island RIIL Cross Country State Championships - News - Memory of Rhode Islander Bobby Doyle continues to inspire brother and coach Jim Doyle

Ten years on, Bobby Doyle's memory still inspiresBy Brian Towey for DyeStatJim Doyle has picked through the day's race results, taped up in a tent, at the Manhattan Invitational. His Bishop Hendricken RI boys team celebrated...

Link:www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event...

Here is the link to the 1969 NCAA Championship results. Her father beat Marty Liquori and UTEP beat Villanova for the win.

milesplit.com

NCAA DI Cross Country Championships 1969 - Complete Results

MileSplits official Complete Results formatted results for the 1969 NCAA DI Cross Country Championships, hosted by Manhattan College in Bronx NY.

Link:www.milesplit.com/meets/178190-ncaa-di...

Looks like she has XC eligibility for 2024. If she keeps this trajectory, she could be a top 3 threat. At BU she beat 2023 NCAA XC 13th, 15th, 16th, 20th, 21st and 27th. Only losing to Valby, Olememoi and Scrimgeour (1st, 4th and 8th respectively). Not crazy to think she could’ve been top 10 had she not red shirted this season.

Ok and even if she ran, say, 5:15 and 10:30 for 3k, she still became a 4:44/9:14 runner in 2 years and will likely run much faster this year. Can you name an NCAA runner with a better progression over 3 years???

Ok and even if she ran, say, 5:15 and 10:30 for 3k, she still became a 4:44/9:14 runner in 2 years and will likely run much faster this year. Can you name an NCAA runner with a better progression over 3 years???

Lowell has been know to be a factory program. Get alot of kids which have double, even triple the rosters of most America East teams. Put them on high milage and intense workouts and hope something sticks and pray they don't get hurt or burnout. Kudos to Kenzie Doyle but I've seen a similar story to Kayley Richards and Emily Sessa and their stories didn't end the way they wanted.

Probably just Parker Valby. It's only 30 seconds difference over 5k, when it was 40 seconds last year (15:20 to 16:00). But that's a huge 30 seconds from 15:27 to 14:56, it's way harder to make that jump than from 16:00 to 15:27.

But still it's seriously impressive for Doyle. Based on her high mileage, she's going to be even better at 10k than at 5k She is a podium threat in the 10k outdoors.

Thanks for sharing your opinion! Sounds like someone is a little upset their team never can beat UMass Lowell at a conference championship. Kayley Richards was an All American and Emily Sessa scored 25 points at the America East indoor championship so your argument really doesn't hold up here bucko.

I’m curious what your connection to Lowell is/how you came to this conclusion. You’re right about the roster size and Lowell definitely does to high mileage and intense workouts.

Getting hurt or “burnt out” is almost always just a product of bad habits outside of running. Find me someone at the highest level of the sport who’s never been injured. If you want to be the best you have to train hard. Everyone loves to say oh look at Ingebrigsten, he trains very easy and never overdoes it. He still trains harder than 99% of people on LetsRun could even think of training. Even if Doyle gets injured, she will be fine eventually.

Kaley Richards and Emily Sessa both did not get burnt out. Richards chose not to run post-college and Sessa literally ran a PR during her last college race. How is that burning out? Kaley was injured the year before finishing 4th at NCAAs. Not burnt out.

Kaley was 4th in the mile in indoor??? Guess she really didn’t pan out.

Lowell is one of the biggest meat grinder programs in the NCAA. Massive roster (at least 45 men) redshirting everyone, high mileage, and a lot of people having terrible 4th and 5th years because of the overtraining.

Kaley didn't even qualify for NCAAs her senior year after 4th the year before, so saying she burned out for her last year is harsh but not inaccurate.

Binghamton does a better job of developing athletes and producing elite runners than Lowell, and Binghamton distance has only 20% of the scholarships that Lowell has.

Wow, cool results, 77th place Steve Flanagan - Shalane's dad

90th place Dan Candiano - Rudy Chapa's HS coach

Stony Brook also beat Lowell as well on the men's side a handful of times. Actually this year men and women beat them at the regional this year.

Mind you Binghamton and Vermont women beat Lowell at conferences.

I know alot of Lowell men are the posters on here. All the best to Doyle, I hope she crushes it but I'm sure her and your coach wouldn't want you guys on here. Your coach has been through enough this past year and I'm more looking out for him!

I wonder what the others mentioned training was like/injury history is. I feel like the downfall from 90 MPW as a female is going to be drastic, (Broken bones, chronic issues) Especially for someone who had such a quick progression. Wouldn’t be surprised if this time turns into a “how did that happen” and we never hear about this girl again after this season. Lowell tends to maximize their athletes around this time so we’ll see. Also I don’t think it’s fair to lump that Emily girl into a group of athletes who have made national events. Scoring points in a crappy conference doesn’t mean anything. Did she even make a regional meet? If not scoring points seems to be a pretty good end to a career for a b-tier athlete.

Also Binghamton creates stud athletes, just one at a time. They seem to only care about one at time.