Instead of giving one person 1.35 billion dollars, how about a universal basic income?

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1 year ago 01/15/2023 11:49am EST

re: Cut welfare

Cut welfare wrote:
I wish discussion of IQ wasn’t censored by the media. You’ll get crucified if you state certain groups’ success / lack of it is due to IQ gaps

All of this bickering about how to help people with a low IQ competently function at job that will provide a living wage. Noone in power will budge philosophically, so the problem remains, festering.

Right now, the cognitive ability level required to work a job that pays a living wage is probably right around 75-80.

As artificial intelligence develops further, there will be fewer and fewer living wage jobs for low IQ people. And soon, there will be fewer and fewer jobs available for people with an IQ under 125. And you might be thinking, oh well I am safe with my 137 IQ, but the thousands of stupid people in your immediate area surrounding you will eat you for breakfast.

What I'm saying is, we should figure this Universal Basic Income thing out right now. The employment plight of stupid people is only going to get worse and the goal post of what defines "stupid" will be moving upwards and will eventually surpass even you brainiacs out there.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 12:07pm EST

re: Cut welfare

If you believe you can easily assess i.q. by physical appearance, that strengthens the argument for U.B.I. About 27 or 28 years ago when both N Gingrich and W Clinton advocated for reduced social services for poor U.S. citizens, they stated services needed to be cut to motivate individuals. That's not your argument. I don't agree with you but with your backwards logic, you made a case for U.B.I. without knowing it. Maybe your i.q. isn't so high.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 1:00pm EST

re: applied economics

applied economics wrote:
Mikeh33 wrote:
A UBI, like classic welfare, removes the desire to work. We already have a serious problem with labor force participation. Plus, you do not say what government programs a UBI will replace. Unless you envision it replacing Social Security (including disability) and/or Medicare, it won’t make a dent in the federal budget.
You have bought everything sold by Republican think tanks.
* Republican theory on top 1%: Tax cuts for top 1% for job creators to create more jobs. * Give gas & oil drillers subsidies. * Give very wealthy farmers and billionaire farmers subsidies.
I don't know your formal education. I know I would still have attended college, U.B.I. or not.
Do you have an economic model or study to direct us to? If you received U.B.I. of $40,000/ yr., why would that make striving to earn $180,000 per year less attractive? Remember, no means testing. You would have $40,000 plus $180,000 equals $220,000.

Why do we need a study? It’s human nature. When the government reduced welfare benefits in the late 1990s, a lot of people went back to work. It’s because they were forced to. If you give people free stuff, they won’t work, it’s just human nature. The vast majority of us do what is necessary, and nothing more.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 1:01pm EST

re: socialism agitator

socialism agitator wrote:
Mikeh33 wrote:
You make a great case for getting rid of welfare entirely, to force people to work. I guess I’m one of those “freaks” who believes that profits provide jobs, incomes, and healthcare for millions upon millions of people.
Yeah force people to work at for-profit companies, but don't force companies to pay them enough to survive (ie pay rent, buy food, and get medicine). That is what makes you an absolute freak. You genuinely want people to suffer and be "beneath" you.

Having a conversation with you is no fun at all. If you call people names, it’s not going to change their mind.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 3:57pm EST

re: Mikeh33

Mikeh33 wrote:
socialism agitator wrote:
Yeah force people to work at for-profit companies, but don't force companies to pay them enough to survive (ie pay rent, buy food, and get medicine). That is what makes you an absolute freak. You genuinely want people to suffer and be "beneath" you.
Having a conversation with you is no fun at all. If you call people names, it’s not going to change their mind.

I don't care about changing your mind. You're a sick vindictive ghoul who wants people to work undiginified jobs and remain poor their entire lives. Unable to retire, unable to afford health insurance, unable to save money, unable to afford an education, unable to buy a house. Struggling to pay rent, relying on an underfunded bus system to get to work. Suffering for decades until they die, while the McDonald's franchise owner passively nets 250k/year instead of 150k. That's real life for real people.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 4:17pm EST

re: socialism agitator

socialism agitator wrote:
Mikeh33 wrote:
Having a conversation with you is no fun at all. If you call people names, it’s not going to change their mind.
I don't care about changing your mind. You're a sick vindictive ghoul who wants people to work undiginified jobs and remain poor their entire lives. Unable to retire, unable to afford health insurance, unable to save money, unable to afford an education, unable to buy a house. Struggling to pay rent, relying on an underfunded bus system to get to work. Suffering for decades until they die, while the McDonald's franchise owner passively nets 250k/year instead of 150k. That's real life for real people.

Yes, if you're only working work that requires a skill that a 12 year old could perform, that's going to be your life for the most part. Nobody owes you anything and the sooner this gets through your head, the happier you'll be.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 4:24pm EST

re: min it

min it wrote:
I think minimum wage should be $50 per hour.

Feel free to start a company and pay your employees in concordance with that thought. Your company might even survive.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 4:24pm EST

re: Let it Rupp

Let it Rupp wrote:
socialism agitator wrote:
I don't care about changing your mind. You're a sick vindictive ghoul who wants people to work undiginified jobs and remain poor their entire lives. Unable to retire, unable to afford health insurance, unable to save money, unable to afford an education, unable to buy a house. Struggling to pay rent, relying on an underfunded bus system to get to work. Suffering for decades until they die, while the McDonald's franchise owner passively nets 250k/year instead of 150k. That's real life for real people.
Yes, if you're only working work that requires a skill that a 12 year old could perform, that's going to be your life for the most part. Nobody owes you anything and the sooner this gets through your head, the happier you'll be.

The job creates a real dollar value regardless of the IQ or skillset required, which you goblins obsess over. Nobody "owes" their time to a job that doesn't cover their cost of living.

I am a PT, I make PLENTY. I know it's hard to believe someone would have a philosophy that is not based purely in selfishness and blind faith in Fox News.

Trigger warning for conservatives entering this thread

Gambling is for poor people

1 year ago 01/15/2023 4:50pm EST

re: Let it Rupp

Let it Rupp wrote:
Yes, if you're only working work that requires a skill that a 12 year old could perform, that's going to be your life for the most part. Nobody owes you anything and the sooner this gets through your head, the happier you'll be.

Do you believe that someone born with a mental deficit should be forced to work a job that doesn't cover the cost of food and rent? Do you think that they DESERVE to suffer?

And you say that society owes these mentally challenged people nothing? A good society protects its weakest members from exploitation.

world of the mega rich and mega poor wrote:
Let it Rupp wrote:
Yes, if you're only working work that requires a skill that a 12 year old could perform, that's going to be your life for the most part. Nobody owes you anything and the sooner this gets through your head, the happier you'll be.
Do you believe that someone born with a mental deficit should be forced to work a job that doesn't cover the cost of food and rent? Do you think that they DESERVE to suffer?
And you say that society owes these mentally challenged people nothing? A good society protects its weakest members from exploitation.

They would get disability benefits, numb nuts.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 5:08pm EST

re: socialism agitator

socialism agitator wrote:
Let it Rupp wrote:
Yes, if you're only working work that requires a skill that a 12 year old could perform, that's going to be your life for the most part. Nobody owes you anything and the sooner this gets through your head, the happier you'll be.
The job creates a real dollar value regardless of the IQ or skillset required, which you goblins obsess over. Nobody "owes" their time to a job that doesn't cover their cost of living.

Exactly, nobody is forced to work at any job just like nobody owes you money. If you want to make more money, actually develop a skill that people are willing to pay you well for.

By the way, your philosophy of entitlement does not make you a "moral" person, it makes you a pathological victim with a giant ego. The philosophy of "I'm entitled to everybody else's time, energy and resources because I can't/won't offer value to others" is narcissism dressed as morality.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 5:14pm EST

re: Let it Rupp

Let it Rupp wrote:
socialism agitator wrote:
The job creates a real dollar value regardless of the IQ or skillset required, which you goblins obsess over. Nobody "owes" their time to a job that doesn't cover their cost of living.
Exactly, nobody is forced to work at any job just like nobody owes you money. If you want to make more money, actually develop a skill that people are willing to pay you well for.
By the way, your philosophy of entitlement does not make you a "moral" person, it makes you a pathological victim with a giant ego. The philosophy of "I'm entitled to everybody else's time, energy and resources because I can't/won't offer value to others" is narcissism dressed as morality.

Talk about missing the point

1 year ago 01/15/2023 5:18pm EST

re: Let it Rupp

Let it Rupp wrote:
socialism agitator wrote:
The job creates a real dollar value regardless of the IQ or skillset required, which you goblins obsess over. Nobody "owes" their time to a job that doesn't cover their cost of living.
Exactly, nobody is forced to work at any job just like nobody owes you money. If you want to make more money, actually develop a skill that people are willing to pay you well for.
By the way, your philosophy of entitlement does not make you a "moral" person, it makes you a pathological victim with a giant ego. The philosophy of "I'm entitled to everybody else's time, energy and resources because I can't/won't offer value to others" is narcissism dressed as morality.

You're confused . Follow the whole conversation and check who suggested we "force" anyone to do anything. Stupid.

1 year ago 01/15/2023 6:43pm EST

re: Let it Rupp

Let it Rupp wrote:
They would get disability benefits, numb nuts.

There are a growing number of people who are not disabled, yet not smart enough to competently work a job that pays a living wage.

Jobs that earn you a living wage are becoming increasingly cerebral. The days of the simple man with a strong back putting food on the table for his family are fading away.

world of the mega rich and mega poor wrote:
People are living in cardboard boxes. I can't afford enough calories to bring my BMI above 18.9 and some person might win 1.35 billion dollars?
That money could be put to better use for society as universal basic income.

Yes! Lets give $3.00 to everyone!!!!!!

1 year ago 01/15/2023 6:58pm EST

re: Bill Reilly

Bill Reilly wrote:
world of the mega rich and mega poor wrote:
People are living in cardboard boxes. I can't afford enough calories to bring my BMI above 18.9 and some person might win 1.35 billion dollars?
That money could be put to better use for society as universal basic income.
Yes! Lets give $3.00 to everyone!!!!!!

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Drug addicts, the obese, and children under 18 would not qualify. That narrows it down.
I'd rather have $3 (to purchase food for the day) rather than give some rando 1.35 billion when they will most certainly go insane and waste most of that money on cocaine and pancakes.

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1 year ago 04/01/2023 6:37pm EDT

re: Just Another Hobby Jogger

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
$1.35 billion divided by 332 million people in the US is like $4 per person? How does extra $4 help any person?

If I bought a $1 ticket and got $4, that’s a 300% return on investment; and if I didn’t buy a ticket at all, it’d be an infinite% ROI, so I’d be rich if other people repeatedly kept playing this lottery.

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