Scott Fauble First American thread

What do you think his base contract is?

Word was many people told they were getting cut at end of 2022. Up to last night seems people were shying away from fauble. Definitely the shoe companies have the advantage in negotiations these days.

So anyone want to venture a guess what his base contract is? I will start Definitely under $100k

Sure, maybe under $100k, but Scotty's gonna be getting a pretty big bonus today. Totally agree with OP, he's a really promising prospect for the future of US marathoning. Him, Mantz, and someone* for Paris 2024.

*Maybe Galen, tbh wouldn't be surprised with Reed Fischer or another new marathoner.

His contract base? It's gotta only be mid-five figures, like $60k-ish, maaaaybe $75k? But if he puts together a year like he did this year (quick time and top-10 at Boston, top American and top-10 overall in New York), between that base salary and contract bonuses, marathon appearance fees, and prize money (each of which will be in the low-to-mid five figures on their own), he'll gross over $150k and maybe squeak over $200k total if he has a really good year.

Also, I would expect to see him in Chicago next fall since he's with Nike now, rather than New York.

If we didn’t have 4 major marathons within about a one month span, Fauble and the rest of the Americans would not have been in the top 15. The depth of Boston and NYC will only increase when the major races reset to their traditional dates, which will make it more difficult.

Fauble still ran very well and the dude knows how to pace but Oregon Project and Hanson’s were founded so we didn’t keep having to use the term, “First American”. After some promise in the 2010’s with Ryan Hall, Meb, and others, I hate settling to hear that term again. This isn’t a good trajectory for American marathoning here.

I thought SF ran really smart today. His best marathons so far seem broadly of a piece once course, comp depth and weather are factored in so I don't see that he has much more progress to be made. Somewhat belatedly I watched his early 2020(?) long interview with Rich Roll and am reading the book he did with Rosario and I don't get where the bad vibes towards his character come from. Seems to have an insightful and sensible approach to the sport and his place in it.

I'm sure there is some truth to this but still hard to justify that amount. He didn't really get camera time during the race, and I didn't see any pre-race video interview (Unless NYRR didn't invite him?). All this after a very solid race for him. I just don't see the return given the lack of exposure. Compare him to Keira D'Amato who races more, wins intermediate distance races, in reaching distance of American records, interviewed more often, etc...

Fauble signing with Nike for some coverage within running media right before the race, and his signing with Nike after being unhappy with Hoka’s supershoes definitely helps Nike’s narrative that their shoe tech is still a step ahead, so I see some value there, and also likely some future value (it’s not like this was a one-race contract).

But to your point of comparison, yeah, Keira is definitely more valuable than Fauble (as are several other American women marathoners), and she was certainly remunerated as such this year (making solidly in the mid-six figures, likely $500k-ish between contract base, bonuses, appearance fees, and prize money).

He didn't say he ditched Hoka because of the shoes. Rory hinted that it was one of the reasons he did. Not the only one; the main reason was the training program, which was very marathon-specific. He preferred more faster stuff, like 10k-specific intervals. But Faubs didn't mention shoes in any press I read. He'd be able to wear the new Hoka now if he'd stayed.

And more importantly, he didn't leave Hoka FOR NIKE. He didn't have any deal with them at the time or until last night. He simply went back to the brand he ran his first 20k miles in. He came from a Nike school and NAZ was probably the first time he had another brand on his feet given that high schoolers are 99% Nike shod. I'm just saying it's not a huge Nike endorsement when a guy who started in them and is used to them (but without a deal) wears them. And he actually trained in something else, it seems from that recent 12-mile video and his comments on needing to get a Nike trainer last night would suggest.

Incidentally, his Vaporflies gave him about 1 second per mile in Boston compared to the Carbon Rocket - not the Rocket X, which was quite a bit better. So, it doesn't seem like a Nell Rojas situation, where she'll wear Nike and only Nike no matter what. He was open to contracts from anyone, it seemed listening to him talk. Not sure how proud Uncle Phil shoulf be of him or how loyal he really is to them.

You all are crazy if you think he's being paid well. As soon as he left Hoka he was in Nike. They knew he was going to race in them and knew the Americans were weak and he would most likely be the first across the line. I'm sure the base is tiny with bonuses, which he probably earned today. Ask OLY gold medalist Gwen how much she got paid by Nike. 5k. He's certainly not getting 100k. Maybe 10-20.

Fauble + Mantz + Rupp running a relay could not beat EK. That’s the state of US marathon running in 2022.

At this stage in his career Fauble can not beat Mantz or Panning. If Rupp gets right then Fauble will not make the team.

Scott's was not a prodigy or is a superstar in the sport. He is a very hard working professional runner that is maximizing his talent. He is very consistent and deserves a contract.

He got maybe a $40K one-time payment to wear Nike, and free gear for one year. As in, five or six trainers, two Alphafly boxes, five shorts, three singlets.

I was thinking Nike lost on this. They probably felt get him signed before he runs 2:08 and is top 3 at NYC. But they got 2:13? that was considered kind of promising for an America 30 years ago

He's consistent at one tactic, and he just doesn't compete. When it comes to championship races, he folds like a lawn chair in a gale. I'd still put money on Rupp to beat him to qualify for a team, plus 2-3 others who don't let Rupp get in their head at the start line. Fauble is closer to Matt Llano than he is to Brian Sell.

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Close is the Women's WR to SF pr?

If this were a discussion about an actual domestic pro tour/league then maybe. If he's trading only on endorsement value, at best we have hundreds of running geeks paying attention to "top American at NYCM" and the logo he's wearing. That's not singularly worth a hill of beans in terms of brand building marketing for any brand, much less Nike. Without the constant marketing push from NAZ Elite, running fans had probably largely forgotten about him. This is the most reasonable perspective:

So slightly better than guys like Fischer and Stinson, with the key asset being the racing shoes he's contracted to race in. There's no practical reason at all to pay more than that for someone of that stature.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea of what contract Fauble has with Nike.