80 yr old banned from YMCA pool for life for telling person with penis to get out of women's showers & not stare at girls

working_dc_runnermom wrote:

OP here. I try to be a straight shooter so I've done some research. The staff claims there is more to this story.

But bosses at the facility see it differently - and have explained Jaman's barring as the culmination of a series of incidents where she 'violated the facility's code of conduct' and was not solely due to this specific incident.

'Julie Jaman was permanently suspended from the Mountain View Pool due to her repeatedly violating our Code of Conduct, specifically, using disrespectful words or gestures toward YMCA staff or others; abusive, harassing and/or obscene language or gestures toward YMCA staff or others,' Erin Hawkins, communications manager for the Olympic Peninsula YMCA, said to Fox News.

Of course, who knows if that's true. The trans woman in the bathroom actually was employee and she's trying to raise 25k off of this incident for bottom surgery and other things. I will admit, I at least respect the trans people who go through with the surgery. The rest are total fakers.

Article include pics:

Link:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11093...

working_dc_runnermom wrote:

OP here. I try to be a straight shooter so I've done some research. The staff claims there is more to this story.

But bosses at the facility see it differently - and have explained Jaman's barring as the culmination of a series of incidents where she 'violated the facility's code of conduct' and was not solely due to this specific incident.

'Julie Jaman was permanently suspended from the Mountain View Pool due to her repeatedly violating our Code of Conduct, specifically, using disrespectful words or gestures toward YMCA staff or others; abusive, harassing and/or obscene language or gestures toward YMCA staff or others,' Erin Hawkins, communications manager for the Olympic Peninsula YMCA, said to Fox News.

Of course, who knows if that's true. The trans woman in the bathroom actually was employee and she's trying to raise 25k off of this incident for bottom surgery and other things. I will admit, I at least respect the trans people who go through with the surgery. The rest are total fakers.

Article include pics:

Link:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11093...

working_dc_runnermom wrote:

OP here. I try to be a straight shooter so I've done some research. The staff claims there is more to this story.

But bosses at the facility see it differently - and have explained Jaman's barring as the culmination of a series of incidents where she 'violated the facility's code of conduct' and was not solely due to this specific incident.

'Julie Jaman was permanently suspended from the Mountain View Pool due to her repeatedly violating our Code of Conduct, specifically, using disrespectful words or gestures toward YMCA staff or others; abusive, harassing and/or obscene language or gestures toward YMCA staff or others,' Erin Hawkins, communications manager for the Olympic Peninsula YMCA, said to Fox News.

Of course, who knows if that's true. The trans woman in the bathroom actually was employee and she's trying to raise 25k off of this incident for bottom surgery and other things. I will admit, I at least respect the trans people who go through with the surgery. The rest are total fakers.

Article include pics:

Link:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11093...

HmmmmLetsSee wrote:

RunRagged wrote:

Many on the so-called "left" today only give lip service to supporting the right to privacy when it comes to abortion because abortion is something men benefit from.

Just as many on today's "left" say that "diversity and inclusion" means persons with testes and/or penises and male sports advantage must be allowed to engage and compete in women's and girls' sports if they demand it, many on the left today also believe female people in countries like the USA, Canada, UK and Ireland do not have - and should not have - any right to any single sex facilities or services where we can be assured of safety, privacy, dignity, comfort and freedom from "the male gaze" when were are in situations outside our homes where we are undressed, naked or semi-naked and thus especially vulnerable to male sexual predation, prying, perving, harassment and assault.

The standard view of the "left" today is that males who claim to "identify as" the opposite sex should have unfettered access to all spaces and services set up to provide female people with privacy, dignity, safety and comfort outside the home - be they locker rooms; communal toilets, showers and spa facilities; retail store fitting rooms; workplace dressing rooms and showers; rape crisis centers; homeless shelters; refuges for victims of domestic violence/intimate partner violence; school dorms; sleep-away camp bunk houses; hostels; health care facilities including nursing home accommodations for elderly women; gathering spaces for lesbians; workplace lactation rooms; prisons and jails; group homes for at-risk teenagers; and care facilities, long-term residences and hospital wards for girls and women whose severe physical disabilities, learning disabilities and/or mental health illnesses make them sitting ducks for abuse.

Moreover, the standard view on the "left" today is that males should be given unfettered access to spaces where females are physically most exposed and vulnerable to untoward behaviors by males just because some males want and demand it - and based solely on males saying they now "identify as" women or girls themselves.

When actual girls and women dare to object and point out all the reasons why we are not comfortable with the new policies and dogma of male intrusion and dominance posing as inclusion and diversity, then men and some women on today's supposed "left" slag us off as right-wing bigots, haters, pearl-clutchers, prudes, TERFs, old-fashioned fuddy duddies, "old bxnts," conservative nutters and other words I can't share here.

Just watch: soon enough a LRC poster on "the left" who considers himself a brogressive paragon of virtue and forward-thinking will come along and call me a bunch of misogynistic names whilst finger-wagging that any laws, policies and social customs which provide female human beings with spaces and services that allow us to have privacy, dignity and safety outside our homes are now outmoded and hateful.

There's an old saying that's never been truer in the past than it is today in 2022: the right see women and girls as private property; the left see women and girls as public property.

The disregard for the human rights of women and girls seen on the left today - and the contempt many on the left have for us that causes them to call us newfangled names dripping with misogynylike menstruators, vagina havers, pregnancy carriers,birthing bodies, milk producers and cisters - is why so many women who have been on the left all our lives are now politically homeless. And it's why so many women are mighty pissed off too.

What a load of malarkey!

Roe gets overturned and women lose the right to abortion in multiple states overnight, including blanket bans, and you somehow believe that women should actually be most angry about TERF issues? Are you insane?

I can promise you that women ARE pissed off right now, and almost NONE of them are pissed about the relatively rare transgender intersection with their personal lives. MANY of them are in a quite rage about the removal of abortion rights.

TERFs are a tiny minority of women, most of whom hold compassion and acceptance toward the trans among us. Having been a TERF will not age well years down the road.

Tatar... wrote:

working_dc_runnermom wrote:

OP here. I try to be a straight shooter so I've done some research. The staff claims there is more to this story.

But bosses at the facility see it differently - and have explained Jaman's barring as the culmination of a series of incidents where she 'violated the facility's code of conduct' and was not solely due to this specific incident.

'Julie Jaman was permanently suspended from the Mountain View Pool due to her repeatedly violating our Code of Conduct, specifically, using disrespectful words or gestures toward YMCA staff or others; abusive, harassing and/or obscene language or gestures toward YMCA staff or others,' Erin Hawkins, communications manager for the Olympic Peninsula YMCA, said to Fox News.

Of course, who knows if that's true. The trans woman in the bathroom actually was employee and she's trying to raise 25k off of this incident for bottom surgery and other things. I will admit, I at least respect the trans people who go through with the surgery. The rest are total fakers.

Article include pics:

Link:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11093...

It's a different story to which has been presented originally. This thread is full of the usual anti-transgender talking points about predatory men with naked penises in the shower making children uncomfortable. It's the same rhetoric that was directed towards gay men a generation ago.

Turns out this trans person is a member of staff and was clothed and accesses the men's and women's changing rooms as part of her job. All pools routinely monitor the changing rooms for cleaning and safety and duties are carried out by both men and women.

Also, the pool doesn't actually have communal showers as evidenced by the complainants description of events.

GD wrote:

The most disturbing thing is this: trans advocacy is not about protecting trans people (how should we define this category) from discrimination, it's about ignoring science and defining sex out of existence. The real, horrific end goal of some advocates is transhumanism. In actuality, this would amount to a billionaire-owned transhuman metaverse. Call me a Luddite, but I want to live freely as a human being in my natural body.

In the short run, girls and women are faced with the intrusion of psychosexual predators into formerly sex-segregated spaces. Some of the virtue-signaling "progressives" will pretend that there's no danger and that women in favor of sex-based rights are simply hating on feminine males who only want to live their lives in a way that feels authentic to them. Obviously these males exist (no, they're not females no matter how female-typical their personalities), but there are also deeply disturbed males whose female identification is sadistic and predatory. Denis Rader, the BTK serial killer from Kansas, literally said that he feels like he is part female. He privately dressed as a woman to pose for bondage photos to satisfy his sadistic sexual urges, then moved on to binding and killing actual women and their families. He had to do all this privately in 1970s and 80s Kansas, but you're fooling yourself if you think men with similar pathologies today will not take advantage of the "inclusive" social policies meant for people who don't pose a threat. And here's the key: women have no way of differentiating between these two types of men.