So do you think Jakob struggles to maintain pace in his longer tempo runs too?
I don't think you know anything about his training.
1. He doesn't do longer tempo runs. He does intervals at lactate threshold.
2. What pace? He doesn't run to any prescribed pace - he runs to a designated effort, which is designed to produce a lactate reading below 4 mmol.
3. Even if he did do "longer tempo runs", that wouldn't be remotely relevant to the point I've previously made. Holding "tempo" pace, and running under 27 minutes for 10k share no relationship.
You seem to be projecting your own issues onto Jakob.
If he can run 12.45 for 5000, he can run 26.30 for 10,000
You say he would have heat dissipation problems despite his performance in Eugene in hot weather. You're plainly wrong.
I don't think you know anything about his training.
1. He doesn't do longer tempo runs. He does intervals at lactate threshold.
2. What pace? He doesn't run to any prescribed pace - he runs to a designated effort, which is designed to produce a lactate reading below 4 mmol.
3. Even if he did do "longer tempo runs", that wouldn't be remotely relevant to the point I've previously made. Holding "tempo" pace, and running under 27 minutes for 10k share no relationship.
You seem to be projecting your own issues onto Jakob.
If he can run 12.45 for 5000, he can run 26.30 for 10,000
You say he would have heat dissipation problems despite his performance in Eugene in hot weather. You're plainly wrong.
Pretty much anyone who runs the 10k seriously doe it at 2*5k+60s. The specialists can get it down to 40s. The only issue people find is finding fast 10ks in cool weather. The energy system demands between the two races is just to similiar.
And the dude has run numerous XC/road races at this length. He will be fine..
You seem to be projecting your own issues onto Jakob.
If he can run 12.45 for 5000, he can run 26.30 for 10,000
You say he would have heat dissipation problems despite his performance in Eugene in hot weather. You're plainly wrong.
Pretty much anyone who runs the 10k seriously doe it at 2*5k+60s. The specialists can get it down to 40s. The only issue people find is finding fast 10ks in cool weather. The energy system demands between the two races is just to similiar.
And the dude has run numerous XC/road races at this length. He will be fine..
That’s not true, 1500/5000m type runners cannot run 2 times their 5000m PRs, plus 60 seconds. Do you think Centro could pull that off? If JI can do it , he also has the potential of winning a Gold Medal in the Olympic marathon.
2007 I'll give you, 2008 he might as well have been in a different race. The point remains, absolutely nothing about Kipchoge's career before 2013 suggested he could go on to be the untouchable marathoner he has been. He won nothing over 5000m and rarely broke 60 for HM. You're kidding yourself if you think you would have predicted he'd be the GOAT based on his pre-2013 career. Late development happens and in Kipchoge's case, it was probably very late given the speculation about his actual age
Again you're misrepresenting the facts here. Kipchoge was running incredibly fast all the way basically until his move to the roads. The last few years he struggled in tactical/slow races, but in 2011 he ran 7:27.66 for a 3K in old spikes and in 2010 a 12:51 5,000. He ran 12:55 in 2012 even as his track days were winding down.
And in the Half Marathon, he ran 59:25 in his first attempt (no supershoes obviously) which was the second fastest HM debut ever and only about a minute off the World Record at the time. From there he ran low-key HMs and never pursued records, so to say he "rarely broke 60" is misleading because he was fixated on the Marathon and not his HM tune-ups. We don't really know what his ceiling the HM is/was, but I'd be shocked if with Alphaflys his 2016 self couldn't run well under 58 minutes. This isn't to say his marathon GOAT status was predictable, but it wasn't a complete shock at all. It'd be much like if Hellen Obiri moved up to the marathon next year and started running 2:16 and getting wins. Some athletes just translate really well --> it seems Kiplimo and Gidey do better than Hassan or Cheptegei do at this juncture. Or Farah did.
Pretty much anyone who runs the 10k seriously doe it at 2*5k+60s. The specialists can get it down to 40s. The only issue people find is finding fast 10ks in cool weather. The energy system demands between the two races is just to similiar.
And the dude has run numerous XC/road races at this length. He will be fine..
That’s not true, 1500/5000m type runners cannot run 2 times their 5000m PRs, plus 60 seconds. Do you think Centro could pull that off? If JI can do it , he also has the potential of winning a Gold Medal in the Olympic marathon.
Jakob is more like Mo Farah than Centro in his range of ability don't you think?
That’s not true, 1500/5000m type runners cannot run 2 times their 5000m PRs, plus 60 seconds. Do you think Centro could pull that off? If JI can do it , he also has the potential of winning a Gold Medal in the Olympic marathon.
Jakob is more like Mo Farah than Centro in his range of ability don't you think?
Indeed. The more I watch Jakob run, the less I think he's a prototypical 1500/5000 runner. He can crush the 10000, I believe.
I enjoyed his response in this video to questions about the 10000 and steeple. He's certainly not lacking in confidence and says he would've done the 10000 at World's if it fit his schedule. You can skip to around the 6:00 mark.
Yes, just clarifying since you said "I don't think there has *ever* been a runner who could have gapped him". I still think that even in championship circumstances against Bekele and Gebreselassie (who were certainly no slouches when it came to fast finishes) Farah would have far more difficulty trying to pull off his long streak of medals. It surely would not be guaranteed.
You might want to learn something about the sport before your next post. Eliud was consistently a contender on the track and during the time you reference he got 4th in 2005 in Helsinki 5000m. Eliud got the Silver medal in 2007 in Osaka 5000m and another Silver in 2008 in Beijing 5000m. He broke 13 every year between 2003 and 2012 except 2008. He ran 26:49 and broke 27 at least twice more. So maybe you should brush up on the facts.
2007 I'll give you, 2008 he might as well have been in a different race. The point remains, absolutely nothing about Kipchoge's career before 2013 suggested he could go on to be the untouchable marathoner he has been. He won nothing over 5000m and rarely broke 60 for HM. You're kidding yourself if you think you would have predicted he'd be the GOAT based on his pre-2013 career. Late development happens and in Kipchoge's case, it was probably very late given the speculation about his actual age
I am not certain how Wightman and Kipchoge are relevant examples to a discussion of Farah's late improvement to become a dominant 5000/10000 force. These were events Farah was already running. Kipchoge in his youth was better than Farah in his youth in the 5/10, but Kipchoge never became dominant in those events, and only became dominant when he switched to a different event -- the marathon. Wightman has won a single global gold and no global records, so is not dominant in the event.
I wish they could have pacers step on and off, like how Kipchoge’s marathon was paced. They could get people running 2:40 easily for 1k and then step off for another k.
That’s not true, 1500/5000m type runners cannot run 2 times their 5000m PRs, plus 60 seconds. Do you think Centro could pull that off? If JI can do it , he also has the potential of winning a Gold Medal in the Olympic marathon.
Jakob is more like Mo Farah than Centro in his range of ability don't you think?
Maybe, and Aouita might be an example, but it certainly isn’t “just about any runner”. Mo’s 3:28 is absolutely mind blowing.
Maybe, and Aouita might be an example, but it certainly isn’t “just about any runner”. Mo’s 3:28 is absolutely mind blowing.
I don't agree that Mo's 3.28s were mind blowing, you just didn't know his ability.
Mo ran 1.48 for 800 when he was 19. I followed his ups and downs all those years and I knew what he could do.
Also he had some knowledgeable people in the UK who knew he could beat Steve Cram's 1500 British record. Apparently Cram was not one of them.
That is also true for Lance Armstrong. People just did not know what he could do but I know someone who tested him at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs when he was young and he saw potential.
Maybe, and Aouita might be an example, but it certainly isn’t “just about any runner”. Mo’s 3:28 is absolutely mind blowing.
I don't agree that Mo's 3.28s were mind blowing, you just didn't know his ability.
Mo ran 1.48 for 800 when he was 19. I followed his ups and downs all those years and I knew what he could do.
Also he had some knowledgeable people in the UK who knew he could beat Steve Cram's 1500 British record. Apparently Cram was not one of them.
It’s mind blowing for a guy that won multiple 5/10K doubles in the Olympics and WCs. Geb and Bekele never ran that fast. You can say that they were never in the right 1500m race but that’s just speculation.
I don't agree that Mo's 3.28s were mind blowing, you just didn't know his ability.
Mo ran 1.48 for 800 when he was 19. I followed his ups and downs all those years and I knew what he could do.
Also he had some knowledgeable people in the UK who knew he could beat Steve Cram's 1500 British record. Apparently Cram was not one of them.
It’s mind blowing for a guy that won multiple 5/10K doubles in the Olympics and WCs. Geb and Bekele never ran that fast. You can say that they were never in the right 1500m race but that’s just speculation.
Of course and it is also mind blowing for a guy who was a 3:38 guy at age 25. Let us be real here. There is no way the other poster saw this coming. No way.
If grant fisher ran 26:33, Jakob isn’t slower than 26:40
This is considering Grant’s obvious juice
Jakob is climbing a steeper slope from his 1500m to 5000m times so he should slow at a faster rate from 5000m to 10000m. I don’t believe the possibility of Grant doping is at all obvious. Is it obvious that Jakob isn’t?
I don't agree that Mo's 3.28s were mind blowing, you just didn't know his ability.
Mo ran 1.48 for 800 when he was 19. I followed his ups and downs all those years and I knew what he could do.
Also he had some knowledgeable people in the UK who knew he could beat Steve Cram's 1500 British record. Apparently Cram was not one of them.
That is also true for Lance Armstrong. People just did not know what he could do but I know someone who tested him at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs when he was young and he saw potential.
Yes, he's posting on another letsrun thread right now.