His leg was the leg that cost the team. That leg was where the team would have picked up the most of any leg running vs. Jerome Blake and that leg lost. .08. No matter how bad that last exchange was, the race was effectively over before Elijah Hall got the baton. Lyles sat and waited for Coleman and that was the race.
Bracy was the silver medalist during these Champs. And De Grasse didn’t even make the Finals. Why does the 2nd fastest man in the world need a ‘big lead’?
I understand De Grasse’s history and the difference between relays and open 100m, but c’mon.
Because both Bracy and Bromell are incompetent at anchoring relays. He didn't gain one inch on a not fully fit Degrasse. Bromell got run down once by Japanese. Bracy couldn't edge pass a guy who isn't fully fit.
When will USA relay management going to stop making these idiotic decisions is anyone's guess.
DeGrasse with a running start is going to beat Bracy with a running start.
That’s not true though. Stop making up stuff. Split times are indeed not reliable because runners run different distances aka receive the baton at different points of the 30m zone. It can be early or late. A full split starts/end and calculated with the completion of a baton pass and this distance is not equal for all 4 runners. You’re arguing like a fan, stick with the facts.
That’s not true though. Stop making up stuff. Split times are indeed not reliable because runners run different distances aka receive the baton at different points of the 30m zone. It can be early or late. A full split starts/end and calculated with the completion of a baton pass and this distance is not equal for all 4 runners. You’re arguing like a fan, stick with the facts.
Lol you’re better than me, I don’t do a back and forth with stans, they are rarely rational. How can you say Abby ran the fastest when literally one of women had to start the race from the blocks. Some ran more curves, some ran ALL curves, some ran more straight, some had a longer split etc.
That’s not true though. Stop making up stuff. Split times are indeed not reliable because runners run different distances aka receive the baton at different points of the 30m zone. It can be early or late. A full split starts/end and calculated with the completion of a baton pass and this distance is not equal for all 4 runners. You’re arguing like a fan, stick with the facts.
Split is calculated when the baton passes each 100m point. How could one even calculate a split at hand off - baton pressure sensors?
His leg was the leg that cost the team. That leg was where the team would have picked up the most of any leg running vs. Jerome Blake and that leg lost. .08. No matter how bad that last exchange was, the race was effectively over before Elijah Hall got the baton. Lyles sat and waited for Coleman and that was the race.
Wrong!
Hall trying to hand off to Bracy two/three times is what lost it and that should be real obvious.
His leg was the leg that cost the team. That leg was where the team would have picked up the most of any leg running vs. Jerome Blake and that leg lost. .08. No matter how bad that last exchange was, the race was effectively over before Elijah Hall got the baton. Lyles sat and waited for Coleman and that was the race.
Wrong!
Hall trying to hand off to Bracy two/three times is what lost it and that should be real obvious.
You believing this is why your opinion has always not mattered no matter your handle. The race was lost on the 2nd leg.
That’s not true though. Stop making up stuff. Split times are indeed not reliable because runners run different distances aka receive the baton at different points of the 30m zone. It can be early or late. A full split starts/end and calculated with the completion of a baton pass and this distance is not equal for all 4 runners. You’re arguing like a fan, stick with the facts.
Split is calculated when the baton passes each 100m point. How could one even calculate a split at hand off - baton pressure sensors?
O dear and you think there’s a sensor on the tracks lol!!. Okay, I literally ran tracks competitively in college and splits are taken when the baton is legally handed off not at a particular 100m mark on the track lol (hint, there’s none only the yellow lines for the 30m exchange zone). Your split starts whenever you got your baton in the zone, there’s no actual marker to indicate 100m. Coaches can be strategic, if we have a Coleman in our team, it’s set up so the baton is passed very early before deceleration, some come with so much speed they need more space to make a seamless exchange. The point is you can’t look at split times flashed on the screen and say a runner ran the fastest or had the best split. It doesn’t work like that and coaches certainly don’t make team selections based on that, so many factors are involved in split times.
Even in time trials at relay camps you get timed once you receive the baton and you start your race. That’s literally the definition of a split it’s a relay not a 100m dash.
Split is calculated when the baton passes each 100m point. How could one even calculate a split at hand off - baton pressure sensors?
O dear and you think there’s a sensor on the tracks lol!!. Okay, I literally ran tracks competitively in college and splits are taken when the baton is legally handed off not at a particular 100m mark on the track lol (hint, there’s none only the yellow lines for the 30m exchange zone). Your split starts whenever you got your baton in the zone, there’s no actual marker to indicate 100m. Coaches can be strategic, if we have a Coleman in our team, it’s set up so the baton is passed very early before deceleration, some come with so much speed they need more space to make a seamless exchange. The point is you can’t look at split times flashed on the screen and say a runner ran the fastest or had the best split. It doesn’t work like that and coaches certainly don’t make team selections based on that, so many factors are involved in split times.
Even in time trials at relay camps you get timed once you receive the baton and you start your race. That’s literally the definition of a split it’s a relay not a 100m dash.
You are WRONG. You are so wrong that if you were right about the splits it would make Lyles time SLOWER.
Lyles BARELY got the baton within the exchange zone, meaning he actually held the baton for less than 100m. According to your logic, if splits are calculated on handoff then Lyles 95m split is SLOWER than Blake's 105m split.
You may have run local track meets, but you don't know how splits are calculated at major events.
What would be the point of having splits if for one team, the split was for a distance of 105m and for another, it was for 95m?
Obviously the splits don't tell the whole story of how a given runner performs on his/her leg, since it's highly dependent on the effectiveness of the hand-offs.
You may have run local track meets, but you don't know how splits are calculated at major events.
What would be the point of having splits if for one team, the split was for a distance of 105m and for another, it was for 95m?
Obviously the splits don't tell the whole story of how a given runner performs on his/her leg, since it's highly dependent on the effectiveness of the hand-offs.
I ran track in college, thank you.
The 4x1 is literally a team of 4 runners passing the stick in a 30m legal zone around a 400m track. How a team decides strategically to run/define or stagger their splits is up to them. At the end of the 4x1 race all teams would have ran the same distance. For the last time, it’s a fact (facts don’t care about your feelings) a split is calculated at the start of the gun/once the baton is received and ends with another successful pass or end of the race. That’s a split and 4 of those is what we call a 4x1 in T&F.
O dear and you think there’s a sensor on the tracks lol!!. Okay, I literally ran tracks competitively in college and splits are taken when the baton is legally handed off not at a particular 100m mark on the track lol (hint, there’s none only the yellow lines for the 30m exchange zone). Your split starts whenever you got your baton in the zone, there’s no actual marker to indicate 100m. Coaches can be strategic, if we have a Coleman in our team, it’s set up so the baton is passed very early before deceleration, some come with so much speed they need more space to make a seamless exchange. The point is you can’t look at split times flashed on the screen and say a runner ran the fastest or had the best split. It doesn’t work like that and coaches certainly don’t make team selections based on that, so many factors are involved in split times.
Even in time trials at relay camps you get timed once you receive the baton and you start your race. That’s literally the definition of a split it’s a relay not a 100m dash.
You are WRONG. You are so wrong that if you were right about the splits it would make Lyles time SLOWER.
Lyles BARELY got the baton within the exchange zone, meaning he actually held the baton for less than 100m. According to your logic, if splits are calculated on handoff then Lyles 95m split is SLOWER than Blake's 105m split.
Okay so what’s your relay team since you obviously wouldn’t put Lyles there? What order and what runners? Just curious.
You may have run local track meets, but you don't know how splits are calculated at major events.
What would be the point of having splits if for one team, the split was for a distance of 105m and for another, it was for 95m?
Obviously the splits don't tell the whole story of how a given runner performs on his/her leg, since it's highly dependent on the effectiveness of the hand-offs.
I ran track in college, thank you.
The 4x1 is literally a team of 4 runners passing the stick in a 30m legal zone around a 400m track. How a team decides strategically to run/define or stagger their splits is up to them. At the end of the 4x1 race all teams would have ran the same distance. For the last time, it’s a fact (facts don’t care about your feelings) a split is calculated at the start of the gun/once the baton is received and ends with another successful pass or end of the race. That’s a split and 4 of those is what we call a 4x1 in T&F.
You may have ran track in college, but as repeated again, you are wrong about split times in the relay.
Your assertion makes no sense - i.e. variable distances for a split time - what would be the point?
Come on guys, this is simple stuff that google will tell you ith a simple search. A split time is by definition the time it takes to go a specified distance within a race. For a 4x100 the split times are measured exactly for each 100 m section.
Agree 100%! Lyles even forgot to reach back for the baton.
Though you can't say Lyles blasted his leg when he got beat by .08 seconds by JEROME BLAKE.
Steiner was the hero of the women's 4x1. She SMASHED Jamaica, the heavy favorite. Lyles choked as the heavy favorite and it cost them a gold medal.
Abby didn’t smash anything. We weren’t even in 1st after that leg. GBR was. Jenna and TT gave us that win. Plus Dina messing up
USA 1st leg= 11:35 . GBR 1st leg = 11:53
USA 2nd leg = 9.86. GBR 2nd leg = 10.07
Do the math if you are able to, but the USA was already almost half second faster than the GBR team.
Melissa on first and Abby on second gave the USA the advantage. Prandini on 3rd did not give up too much ground and TT held off a fast charging Jamaica.
The race was lost when it took Hall a few tries to find Bracy's hand, did you see the race?
The US was going to lose at that point. Lyles leg did not build the lead it should have.
Exactly. Bracy might have left a little early because he was nervous that the USA didn't have the lead he needed to hold of De Grasse. As soon as Lyles got beat by Blake the race was over - USA put best their best 2 legs at 1 and 2, Canada put their best legs at 3 and 4.
Canada won the race before the 3rd legs even got the baton because we didn't have the lead we should have had. Lyles ruined it.