Most of this thread has been about the professional and spectator side of the sport...
Why is it so important to you that the professional and spectator side of the sport grow? What benefit will it bring to your life other than having something else to watch on tv? Because there's already PLENTY on tv already.
Now if Eugene truly is Tracktown USA there should be no reason to not be packed. Regardless of whether there are too many events. Travel shouldn’t be an issue because you put the meets in Eugene because the locals are such die-hards. I guess Tracktown no longer applies?
Most of this thread has been about the professional and spectator side of the sport...
Why is it so important to you that the professional and spectator side of the sport grow? What benefit will it bring to your life other than having something else to watch on tv? Because there's already PLENTY on tv already.
That's the subject of this thread. You are actively derailing it.
Because I like watching track. My friends like watching track. I don't watch much TV, personally, but I love to tune in to track. I like to show up at meets on occasion, and it's a lot of fun when the crowd is roaring.
Should I never go to a bar? There's PLENTY to drink at home.
Why is it so important to you that the professional and spectator side of the sport grow? What benefit will it bring to your life other than having something else to watch on tv? Because there's already PLENTY on tv already.
That's the subject of this thread. You are actively derailing it.
Because I like watching track. My friends like watching track. I don't watch much TV, personally, but I love to tune in to track. I like to show up at meets on occasion, and it's a lot of fun when the crowd is roaring.
Should I never go to a bar? There's PLENTY to drink at home.
Okay, good luck with that! Maybe one day you'll achieve your goal of having something new to watch on tv.
Your life would be better off if you didn't go to bars OR drink at home. But you've informed me that a health crisis is off topic, so I won't go there.
Watching people run has never been particularly popular compared to other sports.
There are hundreds of thousands in Europe that would disagree w/you. Not sure running has ever been truly alive in the US though in comparison to our mainstream sports.
Why is it so important to you that the professional and spectator side of the sport grow? What benefit will it bring to your life other than having something else to watch on tv? Because there's already PLENTY on tv already.
That's the subject of this thread. You are actively derailing it.
Because I like watching track. My friends like watching track. I don't watch much TV, personally, but I love to tune in to track. I like to show up at meets on occasion, and it's a lot of fun when the crowd is roaring.
Should I never go to a bar? There's PLENTY to drink at home.
Speaking of bars, they’re a great place to watch a big game. It’s too noisy to hear the commentary and the interaction between opposing fans enhances the experience. During a NFC championship game, we cleverly chanted “Cowboys Suck!” and one of the Cowboys tables came back with “49ers Swallow”. Although humbled, we got the last laugh when the Niners won the game.
That's the subject of this thread. You are actively derailing it.
Because I like watching track. My friends like watching track. I don't watch much TV, personally, but I love to tune in to track. I like to show up at meets on occasion, and it's a lot of fun when the crowd is roaring.
Should I never go to a bar? There's PLENTY to drink at home.
Speaking of bars, they’re a great place to watch a big game. It’s too noisy to hear the commentary and the interaction between opposing fans enhances the experience. During a NFC championship game, we cleverly chanted “Cowboys Suck!” and one of the Cowboys tables came back with “49ers Swallow”. Although humbled, we got the last laugh when the Niners won the game.
Back to real, on topic conversation. If people started chanting "Bowerman sucks" during a meet, I bet we'd get a mile long IG post from some of their athletes and coaches talking about sportsmanship and how that hurt their feelings.
Doping has definitely had an impact. It's harder for me to get really invested in pro athletes, because at a certain level, I think doping is almost inevitable if one wants to train at the level necessary to compete internationally.
And I dislike the extent to which Nike has come to dominate the culture of running.
What this means is, yes, I have less interest in running at the professional level.
That said, I see much to be optimistic about running at the ground level. I see so many people running for health, for pleasure, for socializing, and that gives me much to be pleased about. And high school and college athletics is such fun to watch, particularly women's sport.
So I think for me, it's that the emphasis of the sport has shifted.
Speaking of bars, they’re a great place to watch a big game. It’s too noisy to hear the commentary and the interaction between opposing fans enhances the experience. During a NFC championship game, we cleverly chanted “Cowboys Suck!” and one of the Cowboys tables came back with “49ers Swallow”. Although humbled, we got the last laugh when the Niners won the game.
Back to real, on topic conversation. If people started chanting "Bowerman sucks" during a meet, I bet we'd get a mile long IG post from some of their athletes and coaches talking about sportsmanship and how that hurt their feelings.
Red Sox fans constantly chant “Yankees Suck” and nobody’s feelings are hurt. Yankees fans used to chant “1918” but were shut up permanently after 2004.
Now if Eugene truly is Tracktown USA there should be no reason to not be packed. Regardless of whether there are too many events. Travel shouldn’t be an issue because you put the meets in Eugene because the locals are such die-hards. I guess Tracktown no longer applies?
I always wondered why so much money went into Eugene to make it "Tracktown USA." It is a tiny market in a very small state (OR population is just over 4 mil). But the Adidas Grand Prix in NYC never took off and lost the Diamond League to Morocco. So, it may be that Eugene is the pick because costs are low and so many US runners (read Nike athletes) are local.
I was in Fayetteville, Arkansas in early May to watch the USATF Multi Event championships.
Now the first day had a respectable crowd of over 2 to 3 thousand people mainly because the Arkansas twilight meet was being run there. But at the 2nd day when they were going to crown the men's and women's champion and select the team that was going to represent the USA at the World Championships there were scarcely 100 people in attendance probably all with a personnel connection to one of the athlete's.
What I am slowly starting to realize is that the USA Track and Field association doesn't care if any fans attend their events.
The idea of staging almost all of the domestic championships in Eugene was because there was a built in audience for track there and usually the venue would always be full or at least close to capacity. But the pandemic has taken away that fanbase and the new Heyward field isn't nearly as accommodating to fans as the old field was.
Also traveling this summer by airplane and rental car to stay at a hotel to watch a track meet is ridiculous. To get to worlds my plane ticket for only me is a $1000 dollars, the rental car $2000, and the hotel $4000, that's $7000 dollars to see a track meet in my own country!
One last thing why spend 270 million dollars on a stadium and put a less then state of the art track there. Not having a super mondo surface but using an all weather surface instead doesn't seem appropriate for this venue!
Was at Pre and no one was there. So sad to see. Where is the running support that there used to be???? People don't know what they're missing...hopefully the World Championships doesn't have the same turn out.
You will see a better showing of fans. Europeans love track and field. Another reason why several American track athletes go to Europe to compete. It pays them enough $$ to continue training.
1. VERY VERY high ticket prices. we are in a recession essentially. people are cutting costs and scrutinizing what they pay for (track isnt a priority...an NFL game is for more people).
2. Eugene and the whole state of Oregon lost their minds during Covid and many people are still afraid of crowds. A large crowd? that may kill grandma. Many runners also trend more liberal than other sports fans and liberals are statistically more likely to be afraid of COVID (not trolling, thats a fact)
3. No usa track stars that are marketable to average public right now are competing. Only Athing Mu really (who wasnt competing). No Carl Lewis like competitors. Shacarrie was on the path to being a star ala Carl in the USA but her "weed" positive test derailed it. Track has no male stars in the USA right now because we aren't doping as well as Jamaica.
4. Flights super expensive right now
This is relatively accurate. Even in CBus the running groups at the major shoe stores trend liberal.
Was at Pre and no one was there. So sad to see. Where is the running support that there used to be???? People don't know what they're missing...hopefully the World Championships doesn't have the same turn out.
so many reasons, USATF corruption, drug use, nike in general, the sub 2 nonsense, people like flotrack trying to make track the NFL, shelby houlihan, alberto salazar, but most of all it's the springy shoes, the comical and unrealistic times. basically all of running history is meaningless in the current climate because people ran those times before they were go go gadget tech-aided. it fabricated excitment with the sub 2 project and related BS, and the concurrent flurry of robot world records has killed interest in the sport.
I think T&F had a big boost in the longer races after the bombing. People wanted to actually try to run Boston not just as a bucket list but as a genuine goal and to feel like they were helping others. Meb was shouting USA! USA! afterwards and that did help. However, that was almost a decade ago at this point...
Most of this thread has been about the professional and spectator side of the sport...
Why is it so important to you that the professional and spectator side of the sport grow? What benefit will it bring to your life other than having something else to watch on tv? Because there's already PLENTY on tv already.
Because they are the fastest people in the history of our country. They deserve more recognition than most of the knuckleheads who bonk into each other to play silly ball games.
Why is it so important to you that the professional and spectator side of the sport grow? What benefit will it bring to your life other than having something else to watch on tv? Because there's already PLENTY on tv already.
Because they are the fastest people in the history of our country. They deserve more recognition than most of the knuckleheads who bonk into each other to play silly ball games.
why? be factual and logical, not just because you like track more than games that involve a ball
Running died when the olympics took it over in 1896. It was a popular pro sport before that, with gambling and beer
They should really serve beer, every pro meet I've been to, I've bought one ticket for myself. If they served beer, I could easily talk a few friends into going with me.
I said this in an earlier post but the comparison with NASCAR is a great one to make specifically. If we discount the idea that there's a much greater chance of seeing someone die a fiery death at an auto race than at a track meet, you get back to a NASCAR race having a single overall winner and a track meet having none.
Whether you or I like the following things that NASCAR has or not, these are some of the reasons it is not the same as a foot race.
Cars going by at 200 mph vs people at <15 mph.
Drivers constantly trying to pass each other vs everybody afraid to take the lead.
The roar of the engines vs the sound of footsteps. (I don’t get this but I understand that most people seem to enjoy loud noises)
Cars are allowed to bump each other and block - within some sort of reason - vs uhm, not.
Pit stop strategy vs not.
NASCAR tries to keep a level playing field but a faster car is appreciated by the fans vs whining about cheater shoes.
I’m sure there’s more.
The real question is are drunk rednecks as pedantic as letsrunners