So that crop is even better than the Lex, Aaron S. and Leo crop?
Looks pretty similar. A few questions:
1)if they are as fast at the same age as the Young/Sahlman class, we should expect similar results, right? if not, what would the reason be?
2) with the exception of Doshi, who ran 5:00 as a 7th grader, which means he probably would have run similar times as the Young/Sahlman crew, the rest of the current freshman and sophomores are not even close to the Young/Sahlman class. Why aren’t there even a couple that are close to that group? Two years with only one decent runner - why?
3) if the incoming Freshmen turn out somewhat as good as the Young/Sahlman class, but the current freshmen and sophomores don’t get close by the end of their careers, what does that tell us?
It tells us nothing. Kids mature at different rates. A kid running great times in the 8th grade might get passed by some he was handily beating.
So that crop is even better than the Lex, Aaron S. and Leo crop?
Looks pretty similar. A few questions:
1)if they are as fast at the same age as the Young/Sahlman class, we should expect similar results, right? if not, what would the reason be?
2) with the exception of Doshi, who ran 5:00 as a 7th grader, which means he probably would have run similar times as the Young/Sahlman crew, the rest of the current freshman and sophomores are not even close to the Young/Sahlman class. Why aren’t there even a couple that are close to that group? Two years with only one decent runner - why?
3) if the incoming Freshmen turn out somewhat as good as the Young/Sahlman class, but the current freshmen and sophomores don’t get close by the end of their careers, what does that tell us?
The thing is that this is their PBs now. We can expect some (or all) to improve in the next month. They are already running similar 8th grade times to the Youngs and Sahlmans
Of course not all young fast runners end up being world beaters. However, there is an interesting correlation.
If I had to choose between getting 3 sub 4:45 guys or 3 sub 5:45 guys, I would choose the former.
Nothing? One kid in 8th grade can't break 10 minutes while another runs 4:30. I would bet you $1M that the faster kid will have a lifetime PR faster also. I give it a 99% chance.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's entertaining NCAA offers right now or in the very near future. Most high-achievers look for promotion opportunities throughout their careers.
But running isn't football. Being the #1 coach on the country doesn't guarantee you a big payday at the next level. Look at top junior coaches like Tom Schwartz (who has to grind out a living as a private youth coach) or Doug Soles (now teaching and coaching 5:00 milers in Utah).
I wouldn't be surprised if he's entertaining NCAA offers right now or in the very near future. Most high-achievers look for promotion opportunities throughout their careers.
But running isn't football. Being the #1 coach on the country doesn't guarantee you a big payday at the next level. Look at top junior coaches like Tom Schwartz (who has to grind out a living as a private youth coach) or Doug Soles (now teaching and coaching 5:00 milers in Utah).
People think running is like other sports. If they excel,they'll be offered some great job.
The number of schools in the country who actually care about running is a handful.
Brosnan is probably trying to leverage the success, as he should, but it's going to be more difficult than it should be because no one cares about distance running.
Schwartz tried to leverage his success with HS runners into a pro job. And despite Adidas paying his golden goose a 10 year contract, Schwartz could never get Adidas to fund his group.
Arkansas late coach made 7 figures. The Oregon Coach hit that number, Vin made it at Stanford, pretty sure Michigan's made around that. There are a number of 7 figure track coaches. I would say you are pretty insane to think there are not.
You're aware that you can lookup these coaches salaries. Public records for state universities.
Oregon's head track coach gets paid 350,000 a year for his base. With bonuses, it gets up to 500-600k if he wins everything.
Holloway at Florida's base salary is around 320,000. With bonuses and perks, it comes out to around 500k.
No one is making 7 figures a year in track.
The School's are sponsored by major shoe companies the bonus opportunity is without question available. If I get $50K a year as a bonus for doing my job well no doubt one of the above coaches is hitting 7 figures total for making the shoe company look good.
You're aware that you can lookup these coaches salaries. Public records for state universities.
Oregon's head track coach gets paid 350,000 a year for his base. With bonuses, it gets up to 500-600k if he wins everything.
Holloway at Florida's base salary is around 320,000. With bonuses and perks, it comes out to around 500k.
No one is making 7 figures a year in track.
The School's are sponsored by major shoe companies the bonus opportunity is without question available. If I get $50K a year as a bonus for doing my job well no doubt one of the above coaches is hitting 7 figures total for making the shoe company look good.
So you think that your imagination is more accurate than the salaries that are publically posted online?
There are NO college distance coaches making at least $1 million per year, and no university will be paying Brosnan that much per year, even if he was "the best" as you claim.
The School's are sponsored by major shoe companies the bonus opportunity is without question available. If I get $50K a year as a bonus for doing my job well no doubt one of the above coaches is hitting 7 figures total for making the shoe company look good.
So you think that your imagination is more accurate than the salaries that are publically posted online?
There are NO college distance coaches making at least $1 million per year, and no university will be paying Brosnan that much per year, even if he was "the best" as you claim.
Its not an imagination it is a fact. You clearly have zero understanding of how business works. A posted salary means zero when business is involved. My salary annually for what I do for a living is $113K. If you add in bonus and additional income I average around $206K, but it says $113K on paper I still get taxed as someone who makes the higher dollar. You are going way too much off of what is listed not what they actually make. Look at the president $400K and he has a couple of mansions. How does that work off of a $400K Salary? The answer is it doesn't. I can tell you what you are seeing on paper is what they want the public to know what they are really making is none of your business but it is well over 7 figures for the best. The best XC/Track coaches at a D-1 Power house are not going to win championships and watch a football/basketball coach at the same university make millions a year and be okay with it. They compensate with side cash.
Nothing? One kid in 8th grade can't break 10 minutes while another runs 4:30. I would bet you $1M that the faster kid will have a lifetime PR faster also. I give it a 99% chance.
If one kid runs 4:28 and 9:27 as a h.s. senior another runs 4:07 and 8:50 would you bet $1M that the faster kid will also have a faster lifetime PR? If we simply look at times without knowing more about the runners, how they matured, how much they trained to reach a certain point you'd have insufficient information. Turns out that in this particular case you'd be out $1M. The "slow" kid here is Abdihamid Nur. If we had a large enough sample of entering h.s. Freshmen and we knew that they all trained similarly for the same number of years then we could generalize that the kids with the faster times stand a better chance of eventually having better PRs. The example you gave is not a good one, because we're not comparing 10 minute milers to 4:30 milers. If the range is say, 4:45 to 5:10 for a group of entering freshmen I have no way of determining their future prospects without additional information.
So you think that your imagination is more accurate than the salaries that are publically posted online?
There are NO college distance coaches making at least $1 million per year, and no university will be paying Brosnan that much per year, even if he was "the best" as you claim.
Its not an imagination it is a fact. You clearly have zero understanding of how business works. A posted salary means zero when business is involved. My salary annually for what I do for a living is $113K. If you add in bonus and additional income I average around $206K, but it says $113K on paper I still get taxed as someone who makes the higher dollar. You are going way too much off of what is listed not what they actually make. Look at the president $400K and he has a couple of mansions. How does that work off of a $400K Salary? The answer is it doesn't. I can tell you what you are seeing on paper is what they want the public to know what they are really making is none of your business but it is well over 7 figures for the best. The best XC/Track coaches at a D-1 Power house are not going to win championships and watch a football/basketball coach at the same university make millions a year and be okay with it. They compensate with side cash.
You’re incorrect. Yes bonuses can be significant but in track and field they aren’t taking a guy making 400k to a million plus. I’ve seen the bonus structure for high profile P5 coaches. It’s not what you describe.
Candidate A-Z: Six-time NCAA all-American distance runner developed thirty to fifty NCAA all-Americans as assistant distance coach at Power Five conference.
Brosnan: Built the greatest high school distance team of all-time in under a decade.
Its not an imagination it is a fact. You clearly have zero understanding of how business works. A posted salary means zero when business is involved. My salary annually for what I do for a living is $113K. If you add in bonus and additional income I average around $206K, but it says $113K on paper I still get taxed as someone who makes the higher dollar. You are going way too much off of what is listed not what they actually make. Look at the president $400K and he has a couple of mansions. How does that work off of a $400K Salary? The answer is it doesn't. I can tell you what you are seeing on paper is what they want the public to know what they are really making is none of your business but it is well over 7 figures for the best. The best XC/Track coaches at a D-1 Power house are not going to win championships and watch a football/basketball coach at the same university make millions a year and be okay with it. They compensate with side cash.
You’re incorrect. Yes bonuses can be significant but in track and field they aren’t taking a guy making 400k to a million plus. I’ve seen the bonus structure for high profile P5 coaches. It’s not what you describe.
No one cares about track.
I am not. Keep telling yourself no one cares about track. I am talking big D-1 Sprinting Powerhouses. They draw attention and bring in revenue.
The posted amount on state websites include everything that they made. It isn't their salary. It is their total end of year earnings which is what they report to the IRS.
If he were coaching Basketball or Football or even a sport like Lacrosse at the right school I could definitely see him going to a smaller college program and trying to work his way up to the big time but for Track and field unless you are power 5 you aren't gonna make a lot if any more than you will as a teacher / high school coach. You can also be a part-time HS coach and have a private sector job or run camps but that's not usually possible at the college level except in summer unless you are talking community college and then the pay is even lower.
A gym teacher / coach is will earn between $70K to $100K+ in California depending on experience and degree. Most college track coaches outside the power 5 are gonna make $50,000 to $75,000 and again the smaller the school the lower the salary.
In Brosnan's case he didn't just randomly come to Ventura County where he eventually found a position at NPHS. He got there as a result of his wife landing a nice job in her field (environmental water management, or something close to that) in the VC area. Going forward I'm guessing that any future career moves will be made with both of them in mind.
If he were coaching Basketball or Football or even a sport like Lacrosse at the right school I could definitely see him going to a smaller college program and trying to work his way up to the big time but for Track and field unless you are power 5 you aren't gonna make a lot if any more than you will as a teacher / high school coach. You can also be a part-time HS coach and have a private sector job or run camps but that's not usually possible at the college level except in summer unless you are talking community college and then the pay is even lower.
A gym teacher / coach is will earn between $70K to $100K+ in California depending on experience and degree. Most college track coaches outside the power 5 are gonna make $50,000 to $75,000 and again the smaller the school the lower the salary.
I should add that there is likely an in between level for schools like Princeton and even a few D3 like Williams where a track coach might make up to $200K perhaps a bit more at a few schools but most of those schools hire their own / from within their league. Frank Samara at Princeton graduated from Penn, Ethan Barron at Williams graduated from Middlebury. Saretsky at Harvard graduated from Columbia. Most of the programs who are going to pay good money to track coaches aren't going to hire a head coach from Adams State.
Nothing? One kid in 8th grade can't break 10 minutes while another runs 4:30. I would bet you $1M that the faster kid will have a lifetime PR faster also. I give it a 99% chance.
If one kid runs 4:28 and 9:27 as a h.s. senior another runs 4:07 and 8:50 would you bet $1M that the faster kid will also have a faster lifetime PR? If we simply look at times without knowing more about the runners, how they matured, how much they trained to reach a certain point you'd have insufficient information. Turns out that in this particular case you'd be out $1M. The "slow" kid here is Abdihamid Nur. If we had a large enough sample of entering h.s. Freshmen and we knew that they all trained similarly for the same number of years then we could generalize that the kids with the faster times stand a better chance of eventually having better PRs. The example you gave is not a good one, because we're not comparing 10 minute milers to 4:30 milers. If the range is say, 4:45 to 5:10 for a group of entering freshmen I have no way of determining their future prospects without additional information.
In Brosnan's case he didn't just randomly come to Ventura County where he eventually found a position at NPHS. He got there as a result of his wife landing a nice job in her field (environmental water management, or something close to that) in the VC area. Going forward I'm guessing that any future career moves will be made with both of them in mind.
Good point here, thanks for the info.
Seems like in general this has turned into a "he will follow/stay with the money" sorta thread, and maybe that's how it'll play out, but I was just thinking that he's gonna get bored after the class of '23 graduates since there won't be anything more to accomplish in terms of accolades at the high school level.
A few people compared him to tinman, but come on, Brosnan is way more charismatic/marketable. No offense to Tom, that's just not his strength.