What’s up with Nuguse?

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2 years ago 03/13/2022 5:06am EDT

re: Not your dame

Just to follow up quick with an after thought. I talked about Nuguse being a DMR hero which has the underdog role written all over it. I think back to 2018 when Nuguse had a 4:02 open mile PR and came up with a split of 3:56.90 to lift his team to second. That was fun. And then in 2019 almost the same deal, one more year matured. He is the split hero and slowly translating that to the open. But he is still the underdog, on his journey to the top.

I think he is one of the guys at the top now and maybe he is missing that same underdog fire. I think of Nuguse as liking to be the underdog and a guy who feeds off the excitement of his teammates. Just wasn't all the way there this past weekend.

2 years ago 03/13/2022 7:09am EDT

re: Not your dame

3000m Final proved he's not the same runner. He's the 3000m Collegiate Record holder and was never in contention.

2 years ago 03/13/2022 7:14am EDT

re: Tenzo

His body language on the line of the 3k last night did not show confidence. Anyone else pick up on this?

2 years ago 03/13/2022 9:33am EDT

re: westsouthrunner

westsouthrunner wrote:
briswiss wrote:
I have no idea if he’s running well or not. Haven’t been following him. But he showed a lot by not running in the Olympics. He’s mentally week and doesn’t have a fighters mentality. Not surprising if he’s having a disappointing season
Ask any runner that's tore a hamstring if they regret running that race knowing there already was an issue.

Weak*…. not saying he should of finished the race or even ran more than a few steps. He said he was able to do easy running before the race. I can’t comprehend not getting on the starting line and at least taking a few steps and then dropping out just to say that I ran in the Olympics which would not have injured it further. I do think that says something about someone’s competitiveness or lack there of

2 years ago 03/13/2022 9:38am EDT

re: Ruth mile

Ruth mile wrote:
Didn’t look himself in DMR. Got beat at ACCs
Is this just a blip or did I overrate him? Did make Olympics last year .

He had Covid19. It took a toll on him. Not to mention he is doesn't race much and always thinks his kick will save him. 5 years of collegiate competition and only 1 individual NCAA title and that was by 0.01 in 2019.

2 years ago 03/13/2022 9:41am EDT

re: nathancat

nathancat wrote:
His body language on the line of the 3k last night did not show confidence. Anyone else pick up on this?

He’s clearly not physically 100% and it’s weighing on him. In college you run through that, but were he a pro he scratches the equivalent of yesterday’s race. I think it’d be a waste to see him have to rush back at all outdoors for collegiate meets. Get healthy, get mentally right and let’s see what happens in the 15.

2 years ago 03/13/2022 10:09am EDT

re: Alexi Santana

Alexi Santana wrote:
Nuguse also ran well at NCAAs and Olympic trials last year - his two biggest races

NCAAs this year was his biggest race so far and he ran quite poorly

2 years ago 03/13/2022 1:13pm EDT

re: Alexi Santana

Alexi Santana wrote:
I also suspect he has had some minor injury or hiccups in training. For people we know personally we know all the small things they go through like injuries, sickness, etc., and it is easy to forget these things affect top athletes just as much.
He still ran 3:55 so not like he's in terrible shape, just not at the same level he was last year or during the 3K earlier this year.

Fwiw - this was confirmed in the NCAAs recap podcast. Nuguse is banged up

2 years ago 03/13/2022 5:32pm EDT

re: Alexi Santana

Yared seems like he gets lost easily in big cities.

2 years ago 03/13/2022 5:48pm EDT

re: Alexi Santana

Alexi Santana wrote:
Alexi Santana wrote:
I also suspect he has had some minor injury or hiccups in training. For people we know personally we know all the small things they go through like injuries, sickness, etc., and it is easy to forget these things affect top athletes just as much.
He still ran 3:55 so not like he's in terrible shape, just not at the same level he was last year or during the 3K earlier this year.
Fwiw - this was confirmed in the NCAAs recap podcast. Nuguse is banged up

So his coach won’t let him run the Olympics with an injury but he can race NCAAs injured?

2 years ago 03/13/2022 10:16pm EDT

re: Dheiekfjjejd

Dheiekfjjejd wrote:
Alexi Santana wrote:
Fwiw - this was confirmed in the NCAAs recap podcast. Nuguse is banged up
So his coach won’t let him run the Olympics with an injury but he can race NCAAs injured?

I’m sure this injury is less severe than what kept him out of the Olympics

2 years ago 03/13/2022 10:31pm EDT

re: briguy

briswiss wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
Ask any runner that's tore a hamstring if they regret running that race knowing there already was an issue.
Weak*…. not saying he should of finished the race or even ran more than a few steps. He said he was able to do easy running before the race. I can’t comprehend not getting on the starting line and at least taking a few steps and then dropping out just to say that I ran in the Olympics which would not have injured it further. I do think that says something about someone’s competitiveness or lack there of

Except what you described wouldn't have really been running in the Olympics. And warming up with the intention of dropping out after a few steps wouldn't have demonstrated an competitiveness, just a contrived show to meet the expectations of your artificial threshold of competitiveness.

2 years ago 03/14/2022 12:45am EDT

re: shootpost

shootpost wrote:
Sneed wrote:
When I was looking at attending Notre Dame the team was absolute trash. Got waxed at their own home meet, wouldn’t make nationals, etc. like him or not Carlson has turned the men’s program around pretty significantly
And he is trying to bolt for a pro position because he knows he can't sustain it. Got lucky with a few supremely talented athletes.

Can’t sustain it??? His incoming recruiting class for next year is probably the deepest and most talented in NCAA history!!! I believe he has 8 sub 9:00 caliber kids committed already! This will add to a team that currently has 2 Freshman that were #1 and #2 high school XC runners in the nation.

2 years ago 03/14/2022 7:33am EDT

re: JMJ

JMJ wrote:
shootpost wrote:
And he is trying to bolt for a pro position because he knows he can't sustain it. Got lucky with a few supremely talented athletes.
Can’t sustain it??? His incoming recruiting class for next year is probably the deepest and most talented in NCAA history!!! I believe he has 8 sub 9:00 caliber kids committed already! This will add to a team that currently has 2 Freshman that were #1 and #2 high school XC runners in the nation.

SMH...they already have 45 distance guys on the roster and spend every penny on distance on the men's side and still only have a small handful of entries at the NCAA Championships every year. Good luck trying to win any team titles in Track & Field. It is clear that they only care about running 4 cross country meets a year.

2 years ago 03/14/2022 7:42am EDT

re: Alexi Santana

Alexi Santana wrote:
Didn’t they get second at NCAA cross in 2021. That’s a good day to have a good day.
Nuguse also ran well at NCAAs and Olympic trials last year - his two biggest races

That meet was a year ago today (2 days after the NCAA Indoor Championships) ND didn't compete indoors in 2021 (their distance guys). They were literally the only ones who put all their eggs in one basket and still didn't win. Again Yared has 1 individual NCAA title in 5 years and that was by 0.01 in 2019.

2 years ago 03/14/2022 7:57am EDT

re: 4987

4987 wrote:
Ruth mile wrote:
Didn’t look himself in DMR. Got beat at ACCs
Is this just a blip or did I overrate him? Did make Olympics last year .
He had Covid19. It took a toll on him. Not to mention he is doesn't race much and always thinks his kick will save him. 5 years of collegiate competition and only 1 individual NCAA title and that was by 0.01 in 2019.

He was double vaxxed and boosted.

I thought that made him safe from Covid?

2 years ago 03/14/2022 8:18am EDT

re: Iron Bars

Iron Bars wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
I mean he is an Olympian and NCAA champ. Only collegian he has lost in the last couple years is Hocker right?
He is not an Olympian. You have to toe the line to be called an Olympian. He flaked out.

False. He is an Olympian. He went to Tokyo with the intent to compete.

2 years ago 03/14/2022 9:59am EDT

re: 4987

4987 wrote:
JMJ wrote:
Can’t sustain it??? His incoming recruiting class for next year is probably the deepest and most talented in NCAA history!!! I believe he has 8 sub 9:00 caliber kids committed already! This will add to a team that currently has 2 Freshman that were #1 and #2 high school XC runners in the nation.
SMH...they already have 45 distance guys on the roster and spend every penny on distance on the men's side and still only have a small handful of entries at the NCAA Championships every year. Good luck trying to win any team titles in Track & Field. It is clear that they only care about running 4 cross country meets a year.

Since 1970 winning a men’s team title in track is essentially impossible if your school is in a cold climate. Winning a men’s team title at a prestigious academic school is also nearly impossible (with exception of Stanford in 2000). So of course academic schools in northern climates are going to focus on distance runners. ND does not have 45 distance runners. They have 20 XC runners listed on this years roster and that included multiple 5th year (extra Covid year) guys. Their roster size is almost identical to every other D1 program. ND, Stanford, Virginia, The Ivies….these schools get insanely talented HS runners that may have been able to win numerous titles at lesser academic schools. But the majority of these athletes chose these schools because academics were more important than sports. No knock on NAU, but most people who choose to run there are clearly placing running above education and therefore focusing significantly more time to training and sleep.

2 years ago 03/14/2022 11:12am EDT

re: JMJ

JMJ wrote:
4987 wrote:
SMH...they already have 45 distance guys on the roster and spend every penny on distance on the men's side and still only have a small handful of entries at the NCAA Championships every year. Good luck trying to win any team titles in Track & Field. It is clear that they only care about running 4 cross country meets a year.
Since 1970 winning a men’s team title in track is essentially impossible if your school is in a cold climate. Winning a men’s team title at a prestigious academic school is also nearly impossible (with exception of Stanford in 2000). So of course academic schools in northern climates are going to focus on distance runners. ND does not have 45 distance runners. They have 20 XC runners listed on this years roster and that included multiple 5th year (extra Covid year) guys. Their roster size is almost identical to every other D1 program. ND, Stanford, Virginia, The Ivies….these schools get insanely talented HS runners that may have been able to win numerous titles at lesser academic schools. But the majority of these athletes chose these schools because academics were more important than sports. No knock on NAU, but most people who choose to run there are clearly placing running above education and therefore focusing significantly more time to training and sleep.

Notre Dame isn't really that academically prestigious. It is comparable to the better state schools.

2 years ago 03/14/2022 11:38am EDT

re: 4987

4987 wrote:
Alexi Santana wrote:
Didn’t they get second at NCAA cross in 2021. That’s a good day to have a good day.
Nuguse also ran well at NCAAs and Olympic trials last year - his two biggest races
That meet was a year ago today (2 days after the NCAA Indoor Championships) ND didn't compete indoors in 2021 (their distance guys). They were literally the only ones who put all their eggs in one basket and still didn't win. Again Yared has 1 individual NCAA title in 5 years and that was by 0.01 in 2019.

There's no shame in pushing the future 6th placer at the Olympics all the way to the line. He basically wins in every year but that one. Look at how much he crushed Suliman, Garcia Romo (this year's champs) and Kipsang by in that race too with a 1:48 last 800. Outkicking Grant Fisher for a title is pretty good too, even if it's a team one it was Nuguse who won the race.

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