Antivaxxers
Harambe wrote:
Antivaxxers
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ttuuyy wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Antivaxxers
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Harambe has a lifetime kill count of 0 :(
A gentle giant slain by prejudice
US was out and out killing people by disparaging and denying treatment options, forcing people into crowded nursing homes, using remdisivir, and putting people onto ventilators.
Of course the death totals were massively inflated in America.
Many people, I think, are probably focusing on the fact that they know somebody who've gotten vaccinated and they still got COVID. But the fact of the matter is, if you're vaccinated against COVID, the likelihood that you will wind up in the hospital is very, very low, compared to people who are not vaccinated.
So we also have an information environment where people are trying to do their research on vaccines. And, for many people, it's much easier to find lies about the vaccines than the truth and to find information about the benefits of these vaccines.
Harambe wrote:
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what percentage of people died prior to the vaccines being available? 45-47%, I genuinely don't know and would like to know. Seems like an important data point to consider if we are going to blame unvaccinated for the high death numbers.
A lot of reasons. Here are the 4 that come to mind.
1. Americans are fat as hell. Hypertension is basically the leading comorbidity. Guess what condition occurs in greater frequency with hypertension than in an otherwise normal population? Starts with 'o' and ends with 'besity.'
2. Americans are Evangelical anti-vax loons. Seriously. Take a look some screenshots of what most of these idiots post on Facebook before they kick the bucket and you'll find that they're overwhelmingly anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-anything that would possibly limit the spread, and, sure enough, they're Jesus-lovers, begging for friends and family to pray for them on their deathbeds. Hilarious.
3. Americans are selfish and refused to wear masks when it mattered most. Remember when the beta strain and then delta was ripping through America but countries like Vietnam of all places were doing well? They wore masks. Full stop. Japan didn't have very stringent lockdowns, yet they got through the earlier, deadlier strains just fine; orders of magnitude lower hospitalizations and deaths than us. Imagine if Americans simply had the decency to mask up to prevent grandpa from dying. Nope, you can't tell us what to do. This is a free country. Yikes.
4. We had a terrible response. The blueprint was clear, demonstrated by the countries that were hit first: Test, trace, and isolate. We did nothing. I repeat: We did nothing. We had months of advance warning, yet we sat on our hands thinking we were invincible because we're American. Nope. Inadequate testing capacity, woefully delayed building capacity policies, weakly enforced lockdowns, no food delivery policies... nothing. We even had the gall to declare ourselves the country in the world most prepared for a pandemic in January 2020. We all know how things have gone since then.
Why are Americans dying? It's called the Trump tax.
He costs us billions and billions of dollars and, as it turns out, thousands of lives.
Congrats, 'conservatives'
Simple: Besides that fact the Americans have some dangerous co-morbidities like obesity and diabetes, the US always has terrible health care overage for most of its population. A week in a hospital with minimal coverage can destroy a family financially. This is NOT the case in most developed countries in Europe.
If they dont have good insurance (or any insurance) they will stay home till they can't any more, meaning they are now dangerously ill. By which time its too late to get effective treatment and they go straight to the vent.
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[quote]Monkeys Skyping wrote:
Many people, I think, are probably focusing on the fact that they know somebody who've gotten vaccinated and they still got COVID. But the fact of the matter is, if you're vaccinated against COVID, the likelihood that you will wind up in the hospital is very, very low, compared to people who are not vaccinated.
Vaxxed or not, the odds of being hospitalized due to the current variant omicron are infinitesimal.
The odds of being vaccine injured are not.
Lots of overweight people with diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, etc., who eat a lot of crap, smoke, or drink too much, thus are more suseptible to developing severe effects of the virus.
Each country has a different method for determining cause of death.
CDC has admitted to serious problems with their data collection practices.
You and the doofus gang at PBS need to try again.
Yeah, couldn't have anything to do with the fact that unvaxed folks are roughly 20x more likely to die after contracting COVID than fully vaxed/boosted folks and the Dumb Party has made it a cause to make sure that we have as many unvaxed Americans as possible.
Nah, must be some sort of conspiracy!
Some discussion of this question here.
obvi the answer is that the mix of fatness, poor healthcare and the 'conservative' anti-vax movement are the causes, and the result is tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dead Americans.
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1489241461342285838?s=20&t=6MknTr6rs9KRCb4WRhPtgw
do you know why wrote:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-the-covid-death-rate-in-the-u-s-is-so-much-higher-than-other-wealthy-nations
Who cares? It's still so low that it's not a big deal
Americans have some dangerous co-morbidities and we do a good job preserving the lives of medically fragile people. When an unusual attack vector appears, those people are at high risk. (There are so many, that we also have an ample population of medically fragile people who do not survive. This was so even before COVID. We have baby boomers entering a stage of life where frailty becomes more the rule than the exception.) In places where those fragile people have almost universal poor survival, there were just fewer of them to be felled by COVID. This is besides any issue of reporting criteria. (In the hospital because of covid or incidentally with covid, how do you count a person who died with stage IV cancer and covid, etc.) One way to test something close to this hypothesis might be to look at the homeless population. I would surmise (but it could be studied with data) that homeless with significant co-morbidities fare poorly even in normal times. How did the homeless do with COVID compared to general population. If their access to sanitation and ability to comply with social distancing and masking is limited and these are essential elements to suppression of COVID, one would expect COVID to have run through homeless population like wildfire. Did it? Did COVID leave an exceptional swathe of death among the homeless? Are homeless populations mostly immune consequent to exposure, illness, and recovery? Both?
Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
Simple: Besides that fact the Americans have some dangerous co-morbidities like obesity and diabetes, the US always has terrible health care overage for most of its population. A week in a hospital with minimal coverage can destroy a family financially. This is NOT the case in most developed countries in Europe.
If they dont have good insurance (or any insurance) they will stay home till they can't any more, meaning they are now dangerously ill. By which time its too late to get effective treatment and they go straight to the vent.
Harambe wrote:
Antivaxxers
And right wingers. Right wingers love death and suffering, cause “freedumbz!”
There is no 1 way to count COVID deaths. If you are a healthy 21 year old male with no COVID symptoms and you get in a serious car accident, rushed to the hospital and die. Later they find out the 21,year old had COVID at the time of his death. He was listed in the USA as a COVID death. Most if not all countries he would not be listed as a COVID death.