So ASU's win against Loyola at Griak doesn't give them a point that Princeton can use? And if not, does that leave Princeton out of the running? you seem to be the most knowledgeable about this..
So ASU's win against Loyola at Griak doesn't give them a point that Princeton can use? And if not, does that leave Princeton out of the running? you seem to be the most knowledgeable about this..
If ASU is not pushed by Washington early...they don't pick up their one point from beating Loyola until Loyola gets in on the 12th round. This would leave one spot still open...if it went to ASU for the 13th and final at large spot Washington would be blocked. The intent of the rule is not to protect the team that overacheives at regionals (ASU) it is to protect the team that gets beat by this team (Washington)....So the committee will allow Washington to push ASU in the early round. Loyola gets in on the 12th round
Yes. Princeton is out of the running.
I will admit a fudge here because I was too lazy to look up all the common opponents. but it is a very small fudge...
after the second critera (points) is looked at, washintonb and EMU are tied with 1, washinton for Iona, EMU for American
the third criteria is head to head...washington and EMU did not race.
The fourth critera is record against common opponents...I am not sure that they had any...and this is where I got lazy...I didn't dig around and check...I cant think of a team that one beat that beat the other, though. however Washington beat A LOT of teams EMU has beaten very few...if they have any common opponents that one beat that the other didnt it is much more likely that Washington comes out ahead.
now asssuming they are still deadlocked it goes to the 5th and final critera...top individuals
Washington has Mark Mandi who finished 5th in the west regional. EMU's top individual finished 14th in the Great Lakes. Before any of you go off on how tough or not tough either region is, know the NCAA doesnt look at that...pretty much just finish at regional or at major meets like PreNats, Griak etc....
so on the 4th criteria if there is a tie break I just went with the odds and assumed washington. If not, the 5th criteria goes to washinton...thus UW first
Assuming there is no
Eastern def. Michigan at the Great Lakes
Michigan def. Washingotn at PreNats
so..I don't know. I hadn't even looked at the regional races.....EMU goes before Washington...which changes things a bit.
Mac wrote:
Eastern def. Michigan at the Great Lakes
Michigan def. Washingotn at PreNats
Exactly so ASU don't get pushed in by Washington. And all those other teams do get points from ASU.
Division I Championship Qualifiers
Nov. 13, 2005
INDIANAPOLIS---The NCAA Division I Men’s and Women’s Track and Field Committee announced today the team and individual qualifiers for the 2005 Division I Men’s and Women’s Cross Country Championships.
Thirty-eight individuals, the first four athletes from each region who are not a part of a qualifying team and two additional qualifiers, were selected to participate in each championship. All individual qualifiers must finish in the top 25 in their region.
The following teams and individuals were selected to the championships:
Men’s Automatic Qualifying Teams
Alabama
American
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Dartmouth
Florida State
Georgetown
Iona
Iowa
Notre Dame
Oklahoma State
Stanford
Texas
UTEP
Virginia
William and Mary
Wisconsin
Men’s At-large Teams
Arizona State
Brigham Young
Butler
Eastern Michigan
Florida
Indiana
Kansas
Loyola (Illinois)
Minnesota
Ohio State
Portland
Tennessee
Washington
so...as I said...ASU IS pushed by Washington (though after Butler is pushed by EMU) and nobody gets points for ASU or Butler...my 13 were right on...just the order of who got in when was different.
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so...as I said...ASU IS pushed by Washington (though after Butler is pushed by EMU) and nobody gets points for ASU or Butler...my 13 were right on...just the order of who got in when was different.
No Washington gets in by virtue of wins over ASU once ASU is in they don't push them.
Where are you getting this? That list wasn't the order that the teams were given at large bids at. It was alphabetical.
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Where are you getting this? That list wasn't the order that the teams were given at large bids at. It was alphabetical.
I know, just follow the NCAA rules and Tenn gets the last pick over Princeton, the only tiebreaker between them is individuals since there is no other connection.
YOU ARE OUT OF IT....ASU HAS NO WINS! none. they have no points. they beat nobody that was already in the meet...they were winless against qualified teams....how many ways does it have to be said...ASU is pushed by Washington who has one point.
Arizona auto
Stanford auto
ASU (0 points)
Washingtion (1 point)
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YOU ARE OUT OF IT....ASU HAS NO WINS! none. they have no points. they beat nobody that was already in the meet...they were winless against qualified teams....how many ways does it have to be said...ASU is pushed by Washington who has one point.
I guess until you get it right?
The order they go in after the autos is:
BYU, Fl, Kans, OhSU, Minn, EMU, (Butler pushed, Loyola gets 1pt), Ind, Loyola (pt to ASU!), ASU (over Tenn common opps), Wash, Port, leaves 3 for the last spot (Prin, Prov, Tenn, Prin has tiebreakers over Prov, Tenn gets in on best individual), Tenn.
You were OK up to Minnesota but you were 'too lazy' (your words) to check for tiebreakers and assumed that Wash had the breaker which they did not. EMU's loss to Loyola effectively gave a point to ASU and meant that ASU wasn't pushed.