To NCAA At-large Qualifying Experts...

How did Tennessee do, I know they had a longshot at an At large.

4th in South regional. did they have possible points from pre-nats?

Do the North Carolina women have any chance at an at-large bid? I wouldn't think so, but I don't know dick about the at-large system.

This is what I came up with. EMU and Indiana's losses to Loyola caused it to be a real mess this year. I'd be surprised if I didn't make any errors.

Autos: Wisc, ND, OkSt, Iowa, Ariz, Stan, Col, UTEP, Bama, FSU, Gtown, Amer, Iona, Dart, Ark, Tex, W&M, Virg

Selection 1:

Bubble Teams with Points: BYU 7 (Wisc Iowa Gtown Dart Virg FSU OkSt), Fla 6 (FSU Wisc Bama Iowa W&M Iona), Kans 5 (Dart Virg FSU OkSt OkSt), OhSt 1 (Iowa)

Pusher teams with points: Wash 1 (Iona), Minn 1 (Iowa)

Others with Points: Port 2 (W&M Iona), Mich 2 (Bama Iona), EMU 1 (Amer), Ind 1 (OkSt)

->BYU qualifies (no losses), Fla qualifies (no losses), Kans qualifies (points to CalPoly Mich OhSt Minn)

Selection 4:

Bubb: OhSt 2 (Iowa Kans), Minn 2 (Iowa Kans)

Push: Wash 1 (Iona)

Oth: Mich 3 (Bama Iona Kans), Port 2 (W&M Iona), EMU 1 (Amer) Ind 1 (OkSt), CalPoly 1 (Kans)

->OhSt qualifies - beat Minn at Big10 and Griak (points to CalPoly Mich Ind), Minnesota qualifies (points to CalPoly Mich)

Selection 6:

Bubb: none

Push: Wash 1 (Iona), EMU (Amer)

Oth: Mich 5 (Bama Iona Kans OhSt Minn), CalPoly 3 (Kans OhSt Minn), Ind 2 (OkSt OhSt), Port 2 (W&M Iona)

->EMU qualifies - beat Mich@Reg, Mich beat Wash@PreNCAA (point to Loy), Butler pushed in (no points given)

Selection 8:

Bubb: Ind 2 (OkSt OhSt), Loy 1 (EMU)

Push: Wash 1 (Iona)

Oth: Mich 5 (Bama Iona Kans OhSt Minn), CalPoly 3 (Kans OhSt Minn), Port 2 (W&M Iona)

->Ind qualifies (points to Loy, Ill, EKY, Mich), Loy qualifies (points to CalPoly Mich AzSt Prov CalPoly Tenn UCLA NAU WebSt NCSU Oregon Lville UCSB Georgia Mi-OH Ohio)

Selection 10:

Bubb: AzSt 1 (Loy), Prov 1 (Loy), Tenn 1 (Loy), NAU 1 (Loy), NCSU 1 (Loy)

Push: Wash 1 (Iona), Ill (Ind), Georgia (Loy)

Oth: Mich 7 (Bama Iona Kans OhSt Minn Ind Loy), CalPoly 5 (Kans OhSt Minn Loy Loy), Port 2 (W&M Iona), Oregon 1 (Loy) EKY, UCLA, WebSt, Lville, UCSB, Mi-OH, Ohio

At this point I'm not sure if I'll be able to do it the same way as the committee, but I'll try my best.

AzSt beat Wash, Prov, Ill and Tenn beat NAU,NCSU. AzSt beat CalPoly which beat Tenn at Griak.

->AzSt qualifies (points to CalPoly Mich Port Mich Wash AirF Prince ColSt IndSt UtahSt MSU Liberty Cal Wash)

Selection 11:

Bubb: Wash 3 (Iona AzSt AzSt), Prov 1 (Loy), Tenn 1 (Loy), NAU 1 (Loy), NCSU 1 (Loy), Prince 1 (AzSt), MichSt 1 (AzSt)

Push: Port 3 (W&M Iona AzSt), Ill (Ind), Georgia (Loy), ColSt 1 (AzSt)

Oth: Mich 9 (Bama Iona Kans OhSt Minn Ind Loy AzSt AzSt), CalPoly 6 (Kans OhSt Minn Loy Loy AzSt), Oregon 1 (Loy) EKY, UCLA, WebSt, Lville, UCSB, Mi-OH, Ohio, AirF, IndSt, Liberty, Cal

->Wash qualifies (points to Port Port Mich Cal), Portland qualifies (no points given)

Last Selection comes down to these bubble teams with 1 point each:

Prov, Tenn, NAU, NCSU, Prince, MichSt, Oregon

NAU,NCSU and Oregon lost to Tenn, MichSt lost to Prov

AzSt beat Prov but lost to Princeton

I can't find anything to decide between Princeton and Tennessee, maybe it will come down to runners that can score highly at Nationals?

here are the at larges in order

byu

florida

kansas

ohio state

minnesota

washington

Arizona state (push by washington)

Portland

Eastern Michigan

Butler (push by EMU)

Indiana

Loyola

Tennessee

I'm in agreement with i know...

except I think the eastern michigan push of butler will go before washington's push on arizona state

just my guess

Does Minnesota actually get points from Iowa and Kansas? I was under the impression that points can only be gained from the most recent matchup (in this case the Midwest Regionals, in which Iowa and Kansas both beat Minnesota)?

Perhaps someone can clarify this.

Thanks,

Frank

Can a 5th place team push a 4th, the rules talk about a 4 pushing a 3 but never about a 5 pushing a 4, can this happen? If that can't, then EMU can't push Butler and the whole system is f***ed. And by my calculations the at larges end after Portland. Leaving the field at 26 teams.

Providence beat Butler at Griak. Does this give them a point that wasn't accounted for?

wfm - you gain "wins" throughout the year, it doesn't matter when you beat them it's still a "win"

As to the push question, a push can happen anytime, but only once per region.

And finally yes Providence gains a win because they beat Butler at Griak, but it doesn't help them advance.

Has anyone done the women's at-large calculations? Please post if you have.

Individual at large bids(if team bids are right)

WEST

Ramos UCLA

Werhane Oregon

Ghebray Cal

Johnsrud Cal Poly

MOUNTAIN

Chelimo Texas Tech

Hoffman Idaho State

Glabb Colorado State

Ball Utah State

MID WEST

Uhl Iowa State

Noonan Missouri

Stock Illinois

Byrne Sth Illinois

GREAT LAKES

Woods Michigan

Huling Miami

Loiselle Central Michigan

Swisher Miami

NOTH EAST

Fagan Providence

Smith Providence

Haji Providence

Hanlon Colgate

MID ATLANTIC

Quigley Lasalle

Jaworski U Penn

Mazzocco Penn State

Bair Pittsburgh

SOUTH

Okello Sth Alabama

Rono Sth Alabama

Burrell Georgia

Davis Auburn

SOUTH CENTRAL

Keating Texas Pan Am

Kangogo Texas Christian

Figueroa Houston

Gandara Texas Pan Am

SOUTH EAST

McDougall Liberty

Korir East Kentucky

Carr James Madison

Clark Clemson

Does Michigan State get a point for beating Loyola at Pre Nats even though they lost to them at Griak. That would give them 2 points in the final round.

that could be an oversite on my part...Michigan State could get in ahead of tennessee for the last spot...who was their other win other than loyola?

Arizona State

I don't think you can get a point unless you actually beat the team. For instance, you can't get a point if you beat Michigan and Michigan beat someone else. Am I right?

Michigan State has beat Arizona State and Loyola...They definetly have a point from Arizona state, but do they get one from loyola. They lost to them at Griak but beat them at pre nats which was later in the season.

no point for ASU they, were pushed in.

I think your Mid Atlantic individuals were based on the assumption that Princeton is going to Terre Haute? If they are not, then this will change the Mid Atlantic individuals.

All the best,

Giles