Cornell XC

Pick Cornell over Penn.

well wrote:

I'm not trying to bash the Cornell team, but it angers me when ignorant illiterates try to make silly points. To the other guy, I got into Harvard, Yale, Penn, Stanford, and Cornell. Let's be honest. Who would chose Cornell over these schools?

Me!!! I had my choice (Yale, Dartmouth, Harvard, Columbia, Duke) too but I CHOSE to come to Cornell. Academics aren't any lower than the others, in fact have you ever heard of the saying, "Cornell's the easiest Ivy to get into and the hardest to stay in?" I obviously haven't gone to any other school so I'm not completely sure if that's accurate or not, but I sure have seen my fair share of people crying when they got their prelim(inary exam)s back!

Anyway, not saying Cornell is the best or better than the other schools, just that some people who are at Cornell chose it as their first choice.

(Now to get nasty, part of the reason I came to Cornell was to avoid stuck up snobs that I saw at Yale and Hahvahd. Of all the Ivies I visited, and Duke, Cornell is the most down to earth, from what I observed. Don't mean to start a fight, but, hey, you started it!!)

Yeah, I guess you're right Penn over Cornell. To the Cornell guy, I found Cornell to be stuck up when I visited. Instead of being proud of their school, they seemed bent on bashing the other Ivies and saying how they are the hardest school. Also, I went there for a track meet a few years ago, and Cornell person actually spit on me when he say my jacket. I know he may be an exception, but that kind of attitude is why I didn't choose Cornell. Your sensitivity to my previous post exemplifies the insecurity I found at Cornell.

Do explain how a 16:29 4 x mile and a 9:33 DMR is "not making a ripple." No, really. Do.

Oh good! I think Robert was terrified for a second there that you might disapprove. The Cornell team sets its standards based on your anonymous message boarder's approval, after all.

Please shoe us the imaginary locales where Cornell has "inflated" their achievements.

I'll help you out--it never happened.

Well, that makes two of us! And if you're not too sharp--and it appears you aren't--I'll spell it out for you: the only "ignorant illiterate" here is you!

I bet you did. And you ran 3:55 in the mile, saved the whales, cured cancer, were elected president of a small Southeast Asian Republic, and singlehandedly overthrew a Napoleonic dynasty brewing on the tiny island of Micronesia before things got hand out of hand.

But seriously, you remain an idiot. Your post has only hammered this point home. The other posters should know that "I got into Harvard, Yale, blah blah blah" means "I was lucky to get into community college with my self-important blather, including a militaristic devotion to putting down anyone who makes a slight typo."

lol, another one that needs spelling lessons.

Not sure you should insult this guy's college.

And I'm not sure there is an inferiority complex. I would categorize it as a very natural tendency to be defensive while being aggressively insulted and attacked.

"please do" I don't have time to explain this to you again. I have a life to get back to. I'm out.

I don't really see what all of the hostility is about. I'm going to come out and say it, I go to Cornell. That being said I feel that I can be pretty objective when judging Cross Country matters (I'm am one of Cornell's mid-d guys that everyone loves talking about). As a team Cornell did not do as well as hoped at Heps. If Bruce had have been in the top five Cornell would have placed 4th or 5th. That being said, Robert Johnson is an excellent coach. He is young and inexperienced but he loves the sport and knows (he and JK) more about the sport than any other coach I have ever met. Cornell was not my first choice as a college, and there are times when I'm not sure what I am doing here. The reason I have not yet filled out a transfer application is because I believe in Robert Johnson and his system. I am willing to run in -12 degrees and take classes with pretentious, insecure a******s because I believe in Robert Johnson. Say what you will about other programs and results and talent, but the first thing that any great coach must do is get his athletes to trust him, the rest will come with time. As an insider I can tell you right now that this Cornell team has become closer because of the disapointment at heps, and because of that we're ready to lay it on the line for Robert.

Hey everyone,

Thanks for the interest in our program. If you have any real questions about what is going on here in Ithaca please email me. If you do in fact go to Cornell, or are connected to the program, please refrain from posting. I've learned after my 10 years here at CU that nothing good comes from these threads.

Kisses,

Bruce Hyde

I have been at Cornell for a long time now and I don't see much of a change in the distance program. 6-8 at HEPS is about normal. I find it amusing that the Johnson's claim so much improvement over past teams, but the results don't speak for it. If only, but..., and next time, is not an excuse. The responses from the team and 'helper' are comical. It's like, "If you don't like me, I will take my ball and go home".

My old man use to tell me, 'Excuses are like a******s, everyone's got one and they all stink!"

Advice: Get results before trumpeting your horn!

At the end of the day the Cornell men really have not done S4!t! The continue to suck in XC and they have NEVER sent one dude to nationals yet in track. They could be possibly the only Ivy to have this distinction. Who else hasn't had an individual in the last three or four years? They did run well at Penn though, but ultimately who cares. They always run well at Iona's Meet of Champions. but ultimately who cares.

who the hell evaluates coaches after less than 3 years. it's normal to wait a full cycle of four years before even beginning to think to look at things.

People here seem to think that Cornell is "trumpeting it's horn." This thread is not called Cornell XC ROCKS!!!! It's called Cornell XC and deals with how they suck. Hence, it is called defense, not arrogance, in response to the aggresion against Cornell.

I think the trumpeting has to do with the Johnson's back patting and promotion (of themselves) when things are good, and multiple excuse making when things don't go so well.

Don't pick on my brother..Don't pick on my coach. That is a bit childish for a college team.

I got a good laught at your first line. no offense, but without a doubt, I own you at life.

I do not go to Cornell, but lighten up a little on the guys. It is true they don't have a huge distance powerhouse and most of the guys they recruit seem to be shorter distances (800 i mean) maybe it's a recrutiing problem and they need to go after the longer distance guys, either way, they are not "terrible." They had a bad race at Heps, so what? Everysingle team in the country has had a bad day.

well wrote:

Yeah, I guess you're right Penn over Cornell. To the Cornell guy, I found Cornell to be stuck up when I visited. Instead of being proud of their school, they seemed bent on bashing the other Ivies and saying how they are the hardest school. Also, I went there for a track meet a few years ago, and Cornell person actually spit on me when he say my jacket. I know he may be an exception, but that kind of attitude is why I didn't choose Cornell. Your sensitivity to my previous post exemplifies the insecurity I found at Cornell.

wow, we've had completely different experiences then. My sensitivity came because of my sense that you were saying who in their right mind would chose Cornell over those other schools. To be honest, it was a little insulting. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way.

Everyone at Cornell hates Harvard, yes, but that is hardly a phenomenon exclusive to Cornell. Other than Harvard, I have not heard any bashing of any other Ivies.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience at Cornell. I love it here and cannot imagine myself in any other place.

Another factor, regardless of the University, is the fit. I don't think I would have fit in at Yale or Harvard. That doesn't mean they are bad schools, but they just didn't work for me, just like Cornell apparently didn't work for you.

I'm not on the team!! I wasn't even talking about xc, although I think I'm lumped in the group of defending Cornell.

I believe in an interview when coach johnson took over the team, posted on this very website, he talked specifically about where he wanted the xc team (not track team)to finish after only a few years. Mainly saying he wanted the team to not only dominate HEPS but to also be a national powerhouse. Well he talked the talk, but he didn't walk the walk.