Gidey just ran the single greatest female running performance ever... Give her the black page! Letesenbet MF Gidey 1:02:52

True. You haven't said anything substantial on anything.

Armstronglivs wrote:

True. You haven't said anything substantial on anything.

I have several times showed that you are writing a lot of nonsense and that you are completely unable to have some serious discussion.

Gidey is doping because she is fast, that's your contribution. Not helpful at all.

letsdrum wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

True. You haven't said anything substantial on anything.

I have several times showed that you are writing a lot of nonsense and that you are completely unable to have some serious discussion.

Gidey is doping because she is fast, that's your contribution. Not helpful at all.

That isn't my contribution. You haven't understood any of the arguments on this thread, quite apart from my own. You are a constant reminder that a person of limited intellectual ability never knows it. I would not waste effort in seeking to persuade or enlighten you of anything.

Armstronglivs wrote:

letsdrum wrote:

I have several times showed that you are writing a lot of nonsense and that you are completely unable to have some serious discussion.

Gidey is doping because she is fast, that's your contribution. Not helpful at all.

That isn't my contribution. You haven't understood any of the arguments on this thread, quite apart from my own. You are a constant reminder that a person of limited intellectual ability never knows it. I would not waste effort in seeking to persuade or enlighten you of anything.

An other evasive response from a poster proud to admit posting as a six year old non reader.

Go away.

liar soorer wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

That isn't my contribution. You haven't understood any of the arguments on this thread, quite apart from my own. You are a constant reminder that a person of limited intellectual ability never knows it. I would not waste effort in seeking to persuade or enlighten you of anything.

An other evasive response from a poster proud to admit posting as a six year old non reader.

Go away.

I feel happy for you that you have come out as a proud 6 year old. But I won't join you.

Armstronglivs wrote:

letsdrum wrote:

I have several times showed that you are writing a lot of nonsense and that you are completely unable to have some serious discussion.

Gidey is doping because she is fast, that's your contribution. Not helpful at all.

That isn't my contribution. You haven't understood any of the arguments on this thread, quite apart from my own. You are a constant reminder that a person of limited intellectual ability never knows it. I would not waste effort in seeking to persuade or enlighten you of anything.

Your ONLY contribution to: "Gidey just ran the single greatest female running performance ever" was: she runs extremely fast, therefore she is a doper. Nothing else. At least in this thread. And - yes - I havn't read the whole forum. But in this thread you have contributed nothing else to this subject:

- Shoes? Sure. PED'S. For sure

- But there's nothing surprising about women now running at the speed of males in a doped sport.

- But it is kind of puzzling that the best dopers in the past were nowhere near as fast ....

- I also remember Gidey getting destroyed by Hassan and another no-name runner in the 10k in the Tokyo Olympics. She has certainly found the answer since. Wonders never cease with today's record-breakers. I'll bet modern science over natural ability any day.

- 2.15 is nowhere comparable to a 1.02 half for a woman. Looking at the men's times the relativity is closer to 2.10.

- So she's running as fast as a man. But that isn't a red flag here.

- It isn't the shoes but something much more potent.

- The one thing you guys cannot get your heads around is that there can only be one reason why a woman is now competitive with male runners. Absolutely doped. Because they too are doping.

- Gidey is still not quite as fast as the great Zatopek over 5k and 10k. He was also the Olympic marathon champion in 2.23. And yet this ridiculous Ethiopian woman is running a 1.02 half marathon. She's probably also faster than the great Abebe Bikila. We need no further evidence of the effect of doping on performance than this latest absurd effort.

- Doubts may apply to the runner in the middle of the pack, about whom we have little personal information, but with outlier performances like Gidey's they ring out "doping" like a police klaxon.

- My position is that doping is endemic in professional sports, and especially elite running - which you refuse to see - and that the very best performances today -and certainly the world records - will be doped. It is only in the middle of the pack and with lower level runners, about whom we have less career information, that it will be difficult to determine whether or not they dope. That is largely because the athletes faster than them will probably be doped. But when expert estimates suggest up to 1 in 3 or even 1 in 2 championship athletes dope, none of this conjecture about who is doping and who isn't really makes any difference - the sport of professional running is effectively no cleaner than professional wrestling. I have no doubt that performances like Gidey's are doped.

Instead of just posting your usual drivel you could just show the post where you have given other arguments why YOU THINK (you should add this in every post) Letesenbet Gidey is a doper. I will directly admit that I was wrong on this one.

I have expressed a view but I haven't come here to educate you about doping - or persuade you of anything. That would take more than a thread. You will have to do some of that work for yourself. I don't care if you don't agree with my views. Your opinions add nothing to what I know.

My opinions? Which opinions are you talking about?

You have said that you have posted more to this subject in this thread - and this is just wrong, you havn't.

You're only "contribution": Gidey is a doper because she is running super fast - nothing else. A pure fact.

You don't know if I think she is a doper or not - I have not said anything to this (it's so irrelevant what someone THINKS about some individual).

Are you Letesenbet Gidey? Or really close to her? No? Then you can't know if she is a doper or not. To claim you do know this says a lot about your character.

Armstronglivs wrote:

2.15 is nowhere comparable to a 1.02 half for a woman. Looking at the men's times the relativity is closer to 2.10.

Wrong.

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I am not aware of other posting.

He has said this before when in a corner ie I have posted so no more to say. You ask when, many times and nothing other than vile abuse.

liar soorer wrote:

I am not aware of other posting.

He has said this before when in a corner ie I have posted so no more to say. You ask when, many times and nothing other than vile abuse.

My only point here: Armstrong has said I'm late to this thread and he will not post again his deeper explanations why Gidey is a doper which he gave early in the thread.

But there are no other explantions in the whole thread, only: she is a doper because she is running extremely fast. And that's what I have said to him.

letsdrum wrote:

liar soorer wrote:

I am not aware of other posting.

He has said this before when in a corner ie I have posted so no more to say. You ask when, many times and nothing other than vile abuse.

My only point here: Armstrong has said I'm late to this thread and he will not post again his deeper explanations why Gidey is a doper which he gave early in the thread.

But there are no other explantions in the whole thread, only: she is a doper because she is running extremely fast. And that's what I have said to him.

You point out one of the lesser failing of Armstronglivs.

My wife runs faster than some men,she awaits a visit from USADA .

liar soorer wrote:

letsdrum wrote:

My only point here: Armstrong has said I'm late to this thread and he will not post again his deeper explanations why Gidey is a doper which he gave early in the thread.

But there are no other explantions in the whole thread, only: she is a doper because she is running extremely fast. And that's what I have said to him.

You point out one of the lesser failing of Armstronglivs.

Definitely. But just another demonstration that he is unable to some serious discussion and that you should be very sceptical of any quote of him.

True. Your only opinions here, which have been unrelenting, have been about me - and you have held nothing back there - while on the subject of the thread you've said nothing. That says quite a bit about your character, doesn't it? As for what you think about Gidey - it doesn't interest me; much as your opinions about me are irrelevant.

You: "I have said earlier in the thread why I think she is doping. But I am not going to rehearse that again for a tedious late-arrival such as yourself."

You have stated as a fact that she is doping. The only reason you gave: she is running fast, nothing else.

This contribution to the subject is even worse than writing nothing at all.

And in almost any answer you are changing the subject. Childish behavior.

letsdrum wrote:

You: "I have said earlier in the thread why I think she is doping. But I am not going to rehearse that again for a tedious late-arrival such as yourself."

You have stated as a fact that she is doping. The only reason you gave: she is running fast, nothing else.

This contribution to the subject is even worse than writing nothing at all.

And in almost any answer you are changing the subject. Childish behavior.

As I said, almost without exception your posts have been about me. Quite an obsession you have. That's about 100 posts on me and 1 about Gidey - and only in this page. Hence, your posts say more about you than anything else - and there is nothing interesting about you.

I could go into detail about why I believe Gidey is doping - and it's more than your trite comment you attribute to me that "she's running fast" - yes, that does count, but as the Houlihan case shows, many of you here don't accept an athlete is a doper even when they have been banned for it. Nothing I could say would persuade you that Gidey (or anyone else) is a doper - and I am not interested in trying to persuade you to what I believe and why. The reason is that you aren't genuinely debating the subject of the thread; you are simply trying to use it to further your personal attack.

For you this thread isn't about Gidey, you have made it about me, with your repeated and tedious moral lectures. What you don't get, because you are of clearly limited intelligence and insight, is that you have thereby made yourself and your opinions the subject of the thread. So it is all about you. They call that narcissistic infantilism.

liar soorer wrote:

letsdrum wrote:

My only point here: Armstrong has said I'm late to this thread and he will not post again his deeper explanations why Gidey is a doper which he gave early in the thread.

But there are no other explantions in the whole thread, only: she is a doper because she is running extremely fast. And that's what I have said to him.

You point out one of the lesser failing of Armstronglivs.

My wife runs faster than some men,she awaits a visit from USADA .

I am sure she is faster than you.

letsdrum wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

2.15 is nowhere comparable to a 1.02 half for a woman. Looking at the men's times the relativity is closer to 2.10.

Wrong.

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Any woman who can run 2.12 is doped to the gills. None of those times will be clean in a dirty sport.

Armstronglivs wrote:

liar soorer wrote:

You point out one of the lesser failing of Armstronglivs.

My wife runs faster than some men,she awaits a visit from USADA .

I am sure she is faster than you.

As someone else has said here: Enough is enough. In practically any thread I have seen you posting, it's the same pattern. The thread get's almost destroyed because of your incapability to have some discussion. And so it's good that you get some resistance from a lot of posters.

You were proved wrong on many occasions just in this thread.