Intersex athletes are making a mockery of our sport

Good idea, but I don't think the mods run WA :)

XY always beats XX.

The man always wins...

If you have, or have ever had, testicles, internally or externally then racing in womens' races is cheating.

alpha wrote:

XY always beats XX.

The man always wins...

Not always. 🤔

Mad Jock McMad wrote:

If you have, or have ever had, testicles, internally or externally then racing in womens' races is cheating.

Oh man, mine are flailing about. There goes my pro women's athletics career.

No. They show men have more ability than females. Why should females get their own category and price money for bringing way worse skill. Compete fairly in an Open division for all humans

alpha wrote:

XY always beats XX.

The man always wins...

Didn't ETH beat Mboma at the Olynmpics?

Just to recap: Clean biological women are threatened by competitors with these two advantages:

1) Needle in the butt

2) Testes in the gut

Film Rep wrote:

alpha wrote:

XY always beats XX.

The man always wins...

Not always. 🤔

You’ve never been married, have you?

Yusef Scumm. wrote:

Just to recap: Clean biological women are threatened by competitors with these two advantages:

1) Needle in the butt

2) Testes in the gut

Ironically, this also indirecly describes the two possibilities in the Shelby Houlihan case...

... who (still) has a faster 5000 m PR than Niyonsaba.

What's the view on Mboma. As I understand she's not intersex, she just creates naturally more testetosterone?

The World Athletics’ DSD regulations only apply to individuals who are: legally female (or intersex) and who have one of a certain number of specified DSDs, which mean that they have: 1) male chromosomes (XY), not female chromosomes (XX); 2) testes, not ovaries; 3) circulating testosterone in the male range (7.7 to 29.4 nmol/L), not the (much lower) female range (0.06 to 1.68 nmol/L) and 4) the ability to make use of that testosterone circulating within their bodies (i.e., they are ‘androgen-sensitive’).

So I get the XY chromosome and I get the testes v ovaries but if you have xx and no testes and you just produce naturally higher testosterone or your body is naturally more sensitive to testosterone than isn't that just a genetic benefit no more so than having more fast twitch muscle fibres or an ability to produce less lactate?

foxymoron wrote:

The World Athletics’ DSD regulations only apply to individuals who are: legally female (or intersex) and who have one of a certain number of specified DSDs, which mean that they have: 1) male chromosomes (XY), not female chromosomes (XX); 2) testes, not ovaries; 3) circulating testosterone in the male range (7.7 to 29.4 nmol/L), not the (much lower) female range (0.06 to 1.68 nmol/L) and 4) the ability to make use of that testosterone circulating within their bodies (i.e., they are ‘androgen-sensitive’).

So I get the XY chromosome and I get the testes v ovaries but if you have xx and no testes and you just produce naturally higher testosterone or your body is naturally more sensitive to testosterone than isn't that just a genetic benefit no more so than having more fast twitch muscle fibres or an ability to produce less lactate?

It applies to people who satisfy 1,2,3 and 4. Not just one of them.

If the only difference that woman has is very elevated testosterone then she’s be fine. However that just doesn’t happen.

It does, but it requires a needle.

So Mboma has all 4? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere she isn't intersex which would mean 1 and 2 are not relevant to her. Could be wrong

foxymoron wrote:

So Mboma has all 4? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere she isn't intersex which would mean 1 and 2 are not relevant to her. Could be wrong

As far as I've been able to determine when looking into this previously, it isn't possible to enter the healthy male range of testosterone without either doping with testosterone, or having testes (internal or external). Even women with polycystic ovaries and abnormally high testosterone levels don't reach the bottom of a healthy male range.

remember those east german women? how do you think their artificially inflated test compares to Mboma?

foxymoron wrote:

So Mboma has all 4? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere she isn't intersex which would mean 1 and 2 are not relevant to her. Could be wrong

The Namiban Olympic Committee has declared her not to be.

But, make no mistake about it, she's XY [along with high T etc]. The rules would absolutely, for definite, not apply to her if she wasn't.