Obvious dopers are getting caught, and that suggests NOT EVERYBODY is doping

rekrunner wrote:

It’s curious, but not wholly unexpected, … that you turn your direction towards me ….

It’s also curious that first you accuse me of likely belonging to a fringe saying “everybody dopes”, and in the next post that I’m trying to convince a running forum that “nobody dopes”. Is talking in opposite extremes part of the non-boring artful colorful language?

Coevett/Number 32, I remind you that you have not addressed two basic questions for the existence of this thread:

- Who exactly is your post/this thread addressed to?

- How does 3 “obvious dopers” getting caught give you any insight to the “obvious dopers” not getting caught, or “non-obvious dopers”?

But rather, you have extensively accused me of many things in your few short responses, presumably intended to serve as distractions designed to avoid any further clarifications relevant for the creation of your thread:

- I say “everybody dopes”. This is not true.

- I say “nobody dopes”. This is also not true.

- I say “doping doesn’t work anyway”. This is not true.

- I am clearly neither a “hobby jogger” (despite my name). Not sure what to make of my status as hobby jogger or not, but it is not relevant to obvious Olympic dopers suggesting not everybody is doping.

- I am not a track fan. This is also not true, although I am more interested in distance events rather than 100m sprints. It may comfort you to know that, in addition to posting during the 100m final, I did watch Italy win gold in high jump and 100m, and Rojas set a world record in the triple jump, among other events. I also watched some tennis and badminton.

On the contrary, I can draw these obvious conclusions from anti-doping officials about doping and their ability (and inability) to catch the dopers.

The problems with anti-doping testing are (at least) two-fold:

- Short windows of detection

- Many of the dopers who are not tested (or tested infrequently), not being in any OOC testing pool and not ending up on the podium

Notably, these “officials” did not speak about performance of dopers versus non-dopers, nor likeliness of ending up on the podium, nor specifically about track and field, relative to other Olympic and non-Olympic sports.

My main point with the juxtaposition of “official statements” with those of the “unofficial” voice is that it is the “unofficial” voice that can be safely ignored without any loss of meaning.

You seem to agree, since you only followed up with “what the officials are saying”, also ignoring all the “unofficial” points you made.

But still, I wonder why you feel the psychological need to repeat your “unofficial” views so frequently in so many threads, as if repetition can help prove them.

What a load of pathetic waffle. But that's always you.

The obvious dopers are not being caught. Sifan Hassan. She won her race on her knees.

Coevett wrote:

Obvious dopers are getting caught, and that suggests NOT EVERYBODY is doping

That's one possibility. It's equally possible that some people are bad at doping, and therefore are getting caught, while everyone else is much better at doping, and therefore not getting caught. Choose what you want to believe.

GettingFasterDude wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Obvious dopers are getting caught, and that suggests NOT EVERYBODY is doping

That's one possibility. It's equally possible that some people are bad at doping, and therefore are getting caught, while everyone else is much better at doping, and therefore not getting caught. Choose what you want to believe.

What you have said is not a possibility - it is a fact. Only 1% of tests results in a positive and yet official estimates are that at least 1 in 10 championship level athletes dope. Athlete surveys have put that figure even higher. So - no, the obvious dopers aren't typically being caught.

If I were younger and more naive, I would agree but I think some people are better than others in navigating the system.

omanyala was busted on a technicality he took medication prescribed by a doctor he provided evidence and testimoney from thedoctor the iaaf accepted his response but he still held responsibility so they banned him so he was not a doper per say

congomachine wrote:

Number 32 wrote:

- Look, I'm nit a boring autist. I like to use colorful language when expressing myself.

- There are quite a few here unfortunately. I agree they are fringe in the real world, and some are likely the same person/Putim troll/you.

-I explained in my post.

-I get my facts from official World Arhletics results, not LetsRun message board.

- According to World Athletics, two Kenyans have ran faster than 10.10 and both have now been busted. Why do you think anyone is interested in what you can (mis)count in your fantasy world?

omanyala was busted on a technicality he took medication prescribed by a doctor he provided evidence and testimoney from thedoctor the iaaf accepted his response but he still held responsibility so they banned him so he was not a doper per say

He is Kenyan. That's enough of a doping offence for Coevett.