Why won't some adults still not get vaccinated?

vxtolvuf wrote:

bare knuckles. wrote:

Delta kills younger people. We are better at saving people now, but delta puts many in ICU.

I think it's kind of true what people claim, that Trump's work to spread the virus in the US by spending so much energy pretending it was a hoax is indeed having the payoff of helping to kill off the ignorant and the Republican faithful, and that delta is going to increase that effect. It's already happening in the Republican run states in the midwest.

Sadly very true. Trump's work convincing so many that Covid was a hoax has been effective and is likely a major reason behind the current vaccine refusal. How many posters here who were singing the Trump line of Covid being a hoax are now posting that the vaccine isn't needed or is dangerous.

Its part of the Trump legacy of division, hate, violence and illness. Imagine where we would be right now if (1) Trump was honest about the dangers of Covid, and (2) He didn't sneak off and secretly get vaccinated but instead did it publicly and sold its importance to his cult members.

Much of this, certainly not all, is on Trump.

My understanding is that the viral load and contagiousness of the disease is the same in vaccinated as the unvaccinated. Therefore getting vaccinated does not save other people, it only saves yourself. Some people that are younger and healthier are not worried about covid harming them, and see vaccine side effects as an equal or greater risk.

bare knuckles. wrote:

Mr. L wrote:

I have no problems with vaccines. But why should I healthy young person get an experimental vaccine not FDA approved? Really could someone explain this to me? I’ll get it if someone can explain why.

The FDA did approve these vaccines for their current use after phase 3 of clinical trials were completed. The FDA hasn't completed its comprehensive procedure for full approval yet.

But is this just a rationalization for you and Uncle not to get vaccinated? If not then right now declare that once the full FDA process is completed and its full approval is obtained, you will take the vaccine. If you can't state that you are just blowing smoke about the approval.

Yes I will get a covid once it’s FDA approved. Again I could care less about politics. I’m not concerned with getting covid so I don’t see why there’s pressure to take an experimental vaccine. If it saved other people, sure I’d do my part. However that is not the case.

vxtolvuf wrote:

bare knuckles. wrote:

Delta kills younger people. We are better at saving people now, but delta puts many in ICU.

I think it's kind of true what people claim, that Trump's work to spread the virus in the US by spending so much energy pretending it was a hoax is indeed having the payoff of helping to kill off the ignorant and the Republican faithful, and that delta is going to increase that effect. It's already happening in the Republican run states in the midwest.

I did not vote for trump and agree that he was a pr nightmare as a president. However I still don’t understand why as a young healthy person not concerned with getting covid that I should get an experimental vaccine?

This is the first I heard that this new delta variant is killing younger people. My wife a hospital pharmacist has not heard this either. Is there some sources for this information?

Mr. L wrote:

vxtolvuf wrote:

I think it's kind of true what people claim, that Trump's work to spread the virus in the US by spending so much energy pretending it was a hoax is indeed having the payoff of helping to kill off the ignorant and the Republican faithful, and that delta is going to increase that effect. It's already happening in the Republican run states in the midwest.

I did not vote for trump and agree that he was a pr nightmare as a president. However I still don’t understand why as a young healthy person not concerned with getting covid that I should get an experimental vaccine?

This is the first I heard that this new delta variant is killing younger people. My wife a hospital pharmacist has not heard this either. Is there some sources for this information?

You can Google. I'm not sure about deaths but I know more younger people are being sent to the hospital and even the ICU due to this variant. Mostly because more older people get vaccinated.

It's not some wild experimental vaccine. The FDA just has to follow its process. You can Google this too.

I'm not going to Google for you unless you really don't know how.

Stop being so intellectually lazy.

Alan

Here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/young-unvaccinated-people-are-being-hospitalized-covid-19-delta-variant-n1273998

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MW

This is a start. Learn to research with proper keywords.

Alan

This is not true. Too many people listen to CNN.

I just read research indicating that people having been sick by COVID, both critically or not had marked reductions in performance on intelligence tests. This scared me a bit. I thought COVID for a healty guy would be "just" an influenza, but through history and now, there are much more suprising side-effects from the illness than we think. That has happened with many new pandemics through history.

The vaccine is NOT experimental due to the massive amounts of vaccinated and the size of the side-effect register. There is absolutely no reason to distrust this. The side-effects of COVID are incredibly more likely than any serious side-effects of the vaccines.

Calling it an experimental vaccine suggests there has been a small control group trying it so far.

There have been hundreds of millions of shots administered.

That is some experiment.

There is more data on this than any new drug or vaccine ever.

There is more data on this than most prescription drugs that have been FDA approved for years.

There is a time element of usually at least 6 months of review. They are right about there now and they did allow Emergency Use Authorization.

It got through the experimental phase a while ago.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/young-unvaccinated-people-are-being-hospitalized-covid-19-delta-variant-n1273998https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MW

This is a start. Learn to research with proper keywords.

Alan

Thank you for taking the time to site these sources. I will review any of the scientific data they state.

Mr. L wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/young-unvaccinated-people-are-being-hospitalized-covid-19-delta-variant-n1273998https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MW

This is a start. Learn to research with proper keywords.

Alan

Thank you for taking the time to site these sources. I will review any of the scientific data they state.

Clever.

Here:

You won't change your mind regardless. Either way, I wish you and your family the best of health.

Alan

Lead Foil Hat XXII wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

You can Google. I'm not sure about deaths but I know more younger people are being sent to the hospital and even the ICU due to this variant. Mostly because more older people get vaccinated.

It's not some wild experimental vaccine. The FDA just has to follow its process. You can Google this too.

I'm not going to Google for you unless you really don't know how.

Stop being so intellectually lazy.

Alan

This is not true. Too many people listen to CNN.

Which part is not true bucko?

Would you rather I post local news broadcasts?

First hand accounts of ICU doctors I know?

Alan

I really don't care what people choose as far as the vaccine is concerned. I just want to know both sides of the story without "anything getting in the way". Anyways Mr. L here's a different point of view I hope you choose what works best for you.

https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/Vaccines-driving-new-variants:9

sayyestonepotism wrote:

Because as a healthy person in your twenties there is no reason. The chance to die from covid is basically 0

Tell that to my 20 year old family member who died. No, he wasn't out of shape. He was a runner.

skdhxjak wrote:

sayyestonepotism wrote:

Because as a healthy person in your twenties there is no reason. The chance to die from covid is basically 0

Tell that to my 20 year old family member who died. No, he wasn't out of shape. He was a runner.

That's terrible. What was his name ? Post a link to the obituary. Certainly there were news stories about a person that young dying from Covid, right ?

Runningart2004 wrote:

Mr. L wrote:

Thank you for taking the time to site these sources. I will review any of the scientific data they state.

Clever.

Here:

https://scholar.google.com/

You won't change your mind regardless. Either way, I wish you and your family the best of health.

Alan

Thank you and the same to you and yours. I apologize for any sarcasm. It has been frustrating with the way media presents information and that goes for all ends of the political pendulum.

These times have seemed to bring out the worse in people (myself included). The political junk and what not. People constantly arguing on social media platforms and what not. Read Letsrun from 15 years ago and it was a different place. Yeah people argued but it wasn’t the overwhelming majority of what we read today.

At the end of the day I believe especially as runners were mostly people that want the best health for ourselves and everyone around us. So this new covid stuff has certainly been a difficult one to navigate.

I truly am open to doing what’s best for my health and the health of those around me. It’s just a struggle to have a grasp on what that is in these uncertain times. I don’t want to argue but do want to here different perspectives. The person that mentioned that though these vaccines are experimental they are being studied at an unprecedented rate makes a good point. Also that the FDA has still given it’s ok to them before full approval is also a good point.

Thanks for all your time

2 perfectly healthy cousins of mine took the covid vaccine, both dead within 2 months. I will pass.

You seem reasonable. Here is one honest doctor's experiences.

Not in his twenties, but a marathoner and the 'picture of health"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/coronavirus-victim-anick-jesdanun-ap-marathons