Shelby Houlihan BANNED for 4 years

Nandrolone is old school body builder steroid and no one feeds it to livestock.

the shoes? wrote:

If WADA has set so low of detectable limits that can be tripped by the food supply, then that, in essence, gives them power and convenience to pick and choose who they want to bust. If that is true, then that may be one of the biggest mockeries of this so-called, 'sport'.

I think a bigger mockery is potentially creating a fake story(it's hard to believe her and anyone defending her at this point I'm sorry) and putting the blame on Mexican food. If this was Hassan, Kiplimo, or Kipchoge yall would drag them through a cemetery and back. But now because it's someone who seems good on the outside and a white American despite none of us genuinely knowing what goes on behind the scene we need to ask what if or think of possible scenarios to excuse a legit doper?

Once again, you are spouting straw-man bias, when all I'm asking for are facts. Is the attorney in the teleconference accurate with what he said, or not?

the shoes? wrote:

the shoes? wrote:

If WADA has set so low of detectable limits that can be tripped by the food supply, then that, in essence, gives them power and convenience to pick and choose who they want to bust. If that is true, then that may be one of the biggest mockeries of this so-called, 'sport'.

It would be more than a "mockery", it would be a political and financial boondoggle of POWER for WADA, allowing them to destroy the livelihoods of athletes at whim.

You are now responding to yourself. Lay off the pork

World's most doped meat: USA

World's most doped runners: USA

Facts.

the shoes? wrote:

Once again, you are spouting straw-man bias, when all I'm asking for are facts. Is the attorney in the teleconference accurate with what he said, or not?

You want a fact? Shelby Houlihan had a positive test, appealed it, failed the appeal, and now she is a convicted doper. You can fool yourself and those who have to put up with you, but at the end of the day she is a convicted doper and she will not be at the Tokyo olympics.

So you don't want to answer the questions. You in essence, prove you are the spouter of CRAP here.

Bugger off.

kumquat wrote:

World's most doped meat: USA

World's most doped runners: USA

Facts.

Exactly. Even people in the USA agree. If they think other countries are hiding and manipulating more doping tests than other countries they need to learn to let their ego go.

Do you or do you not agree that the food supply can trip WADA's arbitrary limits?

If so, then that is fertile ground for WADA to be one of the CHIEF leaders of corruption of the sport, removing fairness for the athletes.

Is the attorney accurate with what he said in the press conference, or not? Why don't you answer that question? If you think he is not accurate with what he states, then provide some evidence to the contrary.

JBaller33 wrote:

There is literature discussing the realistic upper bound of Nandrolone from food consumption, and its 1 ng/ml.

Citations please.

Remember, WADA and its non-existent monitoring of testing procedures and sample handling have ruined the reputations of other athletes.

Remember what they almost did to Bernard Lagat?

If it hasn't already, WADA needs to publicly disclose how it monitored the tests that detected nandrolone in this case and how it confirmed the results.

It also needs to show what studies it has done to demonstrate that nandrolone at the level detected in this athlete could not have resulted from dietary intake.

The burden of proof remains on WADA.

the shoes? wrote:

So you don't want to answer the questions. You in essence, prove you are the spouter of CRAP here.

Bugger off.

Look I know you're pissed because the runner you love is now a convicted doper, but it is it is. Y'all would drag people outside the USA through the mud without a second thought. Lets keep the same energy.

Can I get a poll of how many people have eaten pork organs in the month?

The one thing she ate 10 hours before her test was pig organs. Coincidentally this is the thing that can trigger a positive nanodrolone test. No one will truly know if Shelby cheater beside her, but at the end of the day it doesn’t pass the smell test for me.

the shoes? wrote:

So you don't want to answer the questions. You in essence, prove you are the spouter of CRAP here.

Bugger off.

You aren't asking any real questions. You cant comprehend simple facts and figures that show shelby was busted and reasonably it could not have been from eating 1 pork burrito and showing up 10 hours later

tin-news wrote:

the shoes? wrote:

So you don't want to answer the questions. You in essence, prove you are the spouter of CRAP here.

Bugger off.

You aren't asking any real questions. You cant comprehend simple facts and figures that show shelby was busted and reasonably it could not have been from eating 1 pork burrito and showing up 10 hours later

There really is no way around with these people. They're trying to gaslight all of us who want to hold a doper accountable, but she literally failed an appeal. It doesn't get anymore obvious than that. Arguing with someone over letsrun won't lead anywhere. Let's wait till we get more news and see if they're as loud when more things come to light.

The question is "Can eating pork actually trigger a positive test similar to the results she had?" I don't care if it was 1 taco or 5, if it was pork liver or pork heart or whatever. I don't care if the chances are 1 in 100.... I just want the question answered:

"Can eating pork actually trigger a positive test?"

There is an answer to this question. If the answer to this is "yes" then WADA has a serious problem. It makes me very uncomfortable when i read "She'd have to eat 16 ounces of meat, who does that?" or "She should know not to eat Pork from a taco stand," etc.

I'm in the "probably doping" camp, but because it would be so horrible if she weren't I'd like to make sure her explanation is 100% impossible. Not improbable- impossible.

Explains the reseeding hair line. Looks like Al Sals’s athletes still haven’t tested positive and obviously the 29:06 is still his athlete.

My question is how was she stupid enough to get caught.

Nandrolone is a well known steroid in track and field circles. It was tied to the one of the biggest stories in US track and field - Balco and Marion Jones. Prior to the 'clear' drug, some of the squad that Jones was part of including her shot putter husband CJ Hunter, and Paralympic sprinter Brian Frasure were done for Nandrolone. The defence was once again contamination ... So it's hard to believe that for a coach who has been around US track and field for a long time, that he hasn't heard of it.

I believe that she is guilty. Her times during Covid were phenomenal - 5000m in 14:23. Having said that it gives context to lots of other recent performances which are crazy fast. The latest 10000m times are considerably faster than the Chinese times that were drug fueled.

I'm wondering if it is idealistic to have drug free sport. It seems that there will always be those that cheat and get away with it at the expense of quality athletes doing the right thing but missing out on medals to the cheaters

gameantenna wrote:

tin-news wrote:

You aren't asking any real questions. You cant comprehend simple facts and figures that show shelby was busted and reasonably it could not have been from eating 1 pork burrito and showing up 10 hours later

There really is no way around with these people. They're trying to gaslight all of us who want to hold a doper accountable, but she literally failed an appeal. It doesn't get anymore obvious than that. Arguing with someone over letsrun won't lead anywhere. Let's wait till we get more news and see if they're as loud when more things come to light.

That's what they do. Same thing happened with Lance.

tin-news wrote:

the shoes? wrote:

So you don't want to answer the questions. You in essence, prove you are the spouter of CRAP here.

Bugger off.

You aren't asking any real questions.

I asked you very clear questions:

1. Is it or is it not true wrt the report cited by the attorney in the press conference, that consumption of pork can trip the WADA limits?

2. How do you know how much pork consumption is required to trip the WADA limits?

3. Did you watch the attorney's statement in the press release?

4. Do you disagree with what he said?

5. If you disagree, can you provide evidence that counter's his claims that consumption of pork could have triggered WADA's limit?

These are reasonable questions for the purposes of getting facts. There is no 'gas-lighting' in such an agenda (answering the question as to whether the food supply can trip WADA's arbitrarily set limits).

If WADA has set arbitrary limits that can be tripped by the food supply, than that is fertile ground for corruption. Maybe they need to be removed from the process, if so.

So are you going to answer the questions, or not. If you fail to answer the questions, then the record will show that the attorney is more accurate than your side's blather.