^This
How does anyone disagree with this take? Don't we all agree racism is wrong?
^This
How does anyone disagree with this take? Don't we all agree racism is wrong?
Hurno. wrote:
trollism wrote:
You're getting your right wing hysteria talking points mixed up here.
Sorry. Put me back on track, please?
You were told to get hysterical over CRT (without even knowing what it was) - so you did.
You were told to get hysterical over Dr Seuss 'being cancelled' (even though it's not) - so you did.
These were two unrelated cases of you guys being told to get hysterical over things, but I guess it's difficult to keep up with what you should be getting hysterical about and why, because it seems to happen an awful lot.
Hurno. wrote:
Safe Spaces are important, do not mock them. Those of us that are oppressed need are moments of respite.
It was quite soothing to have you refer to me as baby, thank you.
I guess you’re a baby and dumb. I’m not one to correct grammar on forums but not knowing the difference between “our” and “are” is pure stupidity and not a typo.
Perhaps you should have paid more attention to grammar - forget history! LMFAO 🤣
trollism wrote:
Hurno. wrote:
Sorry. Put me back on track, please?
You were told to get hysterical over CRT (without even knowing what it was) - so you did.
You were told to get hysterical over Dr Seuss 'being cancelled' (even though it's not) - so you did.
These were two unrelated cases of you guys being told to get hysterical over things, but I guess it's difficult to keep up with what you should be getting hysterical about and why, because it seems to happen an awful lot.
Critical Race Theory was created by Racial Identitarians like Derrick Bell, Kimberle Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, etc. to radicalize people by sowing division and hate. It is straight up racist, plain and simple.
The second one is you not being able to understand a joke. Anyone who cares about Dr. Seuss one way or the other is a dumb@ss
How's your cult been trollism? Enjoying it, have you gone DEEPER...
you sound like a snowflakeTRUMPer wrote:
Hurno. wrote:
Safe Spaces are important, do not mock them. Those of us that are oppressed need are moments of respite.
It was quite soothing to have you refer to me as baby, thank you.
I guess you’re a baby and dumb. I’m not one to correct grammar on forums but not knowing the difference between “our” and “are” is pure stupidity and not a typo.
Perhaps you should have paid more attention to grammar - forget history! LMFAO 🤣
Listen, I was 2 for 3. And it seems like you our that type of person.
Notice how both of these guys just issue ad hominem attacks? The reason you do this is because you have no valid points to make and therefore are not worth taking seriously.
Hurno. wrote:
Critical Race Theory was created by Racial Identitarians like Derrick Bell, Kimberle Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, etc. to radicalize people by sowing division and hate. It is straight up racist, plain and simple.
The second one is you not being able to understand a joke. Anyone who cares about Dr. Seuss one way or the other is a dumb@ss
How's your cult been trollism? Enjoying it, have you gone DEEPER...
What cult am I in?
trollism wrote:
Hurno. wrote:
Critical Race Theory was created by Racial Identitarians like Derrick Bell, Kimberle Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, etc. to radicalize people by sowing division and hate. It is straight up racist, plain and simple.
The second one is you not being able to understand a joke. Anyone who cares about Dr. Seuss one way or the other is a dumb@ss
How's your cult been trollism? Enjoying it, have you gone DEEPER...
What cult am I in?
The one that leads you to believe I'm "right wing".
I support NOT sending your kids to school. Sending your kids to schools that are under-funded, teach politically & socially biased lessons rather than actual academic lessons are a waste of their time and probably damage them long term. Check out of the broken system. People argue this as though sending you children to a public school (that may or may not teach CRT) is the only option. Home school, private school or in many parts of our country, charter schools are a better option. In any case, be involved enough in your own kid's education that you don't submit them to broken, abusive situations. Check out of the broken system!
asking stuff wrote:
No
Maybe. Sorry, but when you don't define or clarify, and it all depends on that, that's the only answer.
I've seen too many takes.
Yes, depending.....
(Misplaced response. Sorry.)
This national CRT debate has just been a mess. A few points:
- CRT, as the term was traditionally understood, referred to a fairly specific approach to history and legal scholarship. Even at its peak which was decades ago, it was an approach that was more practiced (by legal scholars in their writings) than taught (as doctrine to students).
- CRT always has been a deeply problematic doctrine because it privileges subjective experience over objective reasoning. Objectivity and rationality have traditionally been the cornerstones of academic thought since the Enlightenment. CRT, on the other hand, is a closed system, and any critique of it can just be treated as evidence of its truth. It's sort of like traditional Freudian psychoanalysis in that regard. For a contemporary example of this phenomenon, just look at White Fragility, whose thesis is essentially that "if you disagree with this book, you're proving the book is right." This is what makes CRT more like a religion than a valid academic theory.
- Despite the flaws of CRT, it has still made a lot of valuable contributions. In particular, in an era after explicit legal discrimination became illegal, CRT effectively exposed many forms of "soft discrimination" that have been and continue to matter a great deal. That said, CRT isn't the only approach that can do this work. Plenty of important thinkers outside of the CRT tradition have made the same points, going well back into the 19th Century.
- A sort of CRT-lite went mainstream outside of the academy in the last decade. Mostly this has involved people citing books that they haven't read as a way of telling other people to shut up. This trend has amplified the biggest weaknesses of CRT, pushing it even more towards a religious dogma. Whether this new CRT-lite should even be called CRT or just "wokeness" or somethign else is a fair question.
Now, to the specific issue of banning CRT in schools:
- The left is absolutely right that CRT, as traditionally understood, is not really being taught in high schools. It's hardly being taught to undergrads. It's a high-level, theoretical discipline that's mostly the concern of grad students.
- The left is, however, being disingenuous when it claims that it has no idea what the right is talking about when it complains about CRT in schools. It's not real, academic CRT that's the issue, but a less precise indoctrination with vague "woke principles," some of which include the notions that white skin equals guilt and that any difference in outcomes between black and whites that favor whites is necessarily 100% attributable to discrimination. This stuff is, in fact, happening right now.
- The right is fighting a losing battle trying to ban CRT, particularly at the state legislative level. There's no way you can write a statute that effectively polices the ideology that's discussed in classrooms. One of the reasons that's so difficult is that CRT isn't a term with precise boundaries, where you can clearly say what's allowed and what isn't. Obviously you're not going to learn American history without talking about slavery, the civil war, reconstruction, northern migration, civil rights, etc. You're going to have to talk about race A LOT in order to teach history. So how do you police what kinds of discussions about race are okay and what kinds aren't? I used to assign Frantz Fanon to my high school students (and my politics are right of center). I don't really consider him to be a critical race theorist as that term is generally understood, but that's certainly debatable.
- Many on both sides of this debate are failing to distinguish between teaching what CRT is and teaching that CRT is correct. As I argued above, I happen to think that CRT isn't really a valid academic approach. That doesn't mean that I don't think people should read significant CRT texts. I think people should also read Althusser and Žižek, and I'm certainly not a Marxist.
- The left is way off base in arguing that laws banning CRT in schools are an affront to freedom of speech. The laws may be foolish and doomed to fail, for the reasons outlined above, but it's absolutely the prerogative of government to decide what gets taught to kids in public schools. A few decades ago, people on the left were happy to ban the teaching of "intelligent design" in school. They were right to do so, because it isn't real science. If they want to defend CRT in schools, they should do so on the merits, not on spurious free speech grounds.
OozmaKappa wrote:
"B-but orange man white supremacy 🤓"
L comeback. Weak non sequitur.
I dont support white supremacy and your comment doesnt really make any sense. White supremacy continues to be a boogeyman used by the left to create racial tension.
You may not support white supremacy but a lot of Americans do. They voted for Trump.
800 dude wrote:
- The left is, however, being disingenuous when it claims that it has no idea what the right is talking about when it complains about CRT in schools. It's not real, academic CRT that's the issue, but a less precise indoctrination with vague "woke principles," some of which include the notions that white skin equals guilt and that any difference in outcomes between black and whites that favor whites is necessarily 100% attributable to discrimination. This stuff is, in fact, happening right now
This is all that needs to be said. Everybody understands this on some level even if theyre not capable of articulating it or willing to admit it.
CRT indoctrination, wokeness, whatever you wanna call it has no place in the classroom.
Armstronglivs wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
"B-but orange man white supremacy 🤓"
L comeback. Weak non sequitur.
I dont support white supremacy and your comment doesnt really make any sense. White supremacy continues to be a boogeyman used by the left to create racial tension.
You may not support white supremacy but a lot of Americans do. They voted for Trump.
Equating the two only brands you as a hack. A vote for Biden was no better a choice. Everything you say after this is shaded by such a moronic comment. You’ll find an echo chamber to cheer you a long but a vote against Biden or a vote against Trump can both be grounded in reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDu_VUpoJ8600 sq ft apartment, need roommate wrote:
Please outline “critical race theory curriculum” that is being taught so I can make a judgment call on if I support it or not.
If you haven't read the theory behind the nonsense, it's going to be hard to put it into words. This guy boils it all down into layman's terms, with citations.
This seems like a well-written balanced perspective that's consistent with what I know of CRT. Thank-you for taking the time to write this.
https://criticalrace.org/Harambe wrote:
I support conservatives pearl clutching about the moral panic of the month before moving onto the next one. I enjoy watching boomers construct straw men, tear them down, and act like the intelligent populace cares at all.
Here's a website with all the documented cases of CRT being taught in schools. It's all cited with links.
https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/map-where-critical-race-theory-is-under-attack/2021/06Here's an article criticising lawmakers banning the teaching of CRT in schools. Not sure why people on the left say that it's not being taught in the first place, but are also outraged that it isn't allowed to be taught in schools. Makes no sense.
https://nypost.com/2021/07/07/critical-race-theory-author-headlines-aft-conference/Ibram X Kendi, a known ideologue of CRT, headlined a conference for the second largest teacher's union in the country. But you're right, teachers don't want to spread this ideology to kids.
skierg wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You may not support white supremacy but a lot of Americans do. They voted for Trump.
Equating the two only brands you as a hack. A vote for Biden was no better a choice. Everything you say after this is shaded by such a moronic comment. You’ll find an echo chamber to cheer you a long but a vote against Biden or a vote against Trump can both be grounded in reason.
But not the same reason. Only one of them is a twice-impeached insurrectionist with white supremacist values. But you will find yourself an echo chamber there, too. It's called the Republican Party.
Armstronglivs wrote:
skierg wrote:
Equating the two only brands you as a hack. A vote for Biden was no better a choice. Everything you say after this is shaded by such a moronic comment. You’ll find an echo chamber to cheer you a long but a vote against Biden or a vote against Trump can both be grounded in reason.
But not the same reason. Only one of them is a twice-impeached insurrectionist with white supremacist values. But you will find yourself an echo chamber there, too. It's called the Republican Party.
Why would they be the same reason? There is no implication they should be. The Biden conglomerate, he’s not independent, is promoting ruinous economic policy for this country and was certain to do so. Citing completely partisan, unprecedented, and frankly embarrassing impeachment proceedings brought against Trump isn’t evidence worthy of debate. Trump is fairly despicable, in my opinion, as a person and I wish no further influence on his part but Biden is a career liar and grifter who is a floating empty suit that isn’t more worthy of emulation than Trump.