Hocker drop a 1:54(25 second last 200) and destroys Teare in the 5k!

Rojo can’t handle the truth. He’s just insecure.

Why did they finish the race on the opposite side of the track?

rojo wrote:

goatkicks wrote:

If the 5k trials is tactical like this, can any pro close like him? His acceleration that last 100 is on another level!

You're joking right?

In the 2016 Olympics, Paul Chelimo closed in 53.1 and ran 13:03. In the process, his doors were BLOWN OFF by .6 by Mo Farah - and that was wihtout super spikes.

So can a pro close a 13:30 race in 53? yes. Most definitely.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/08/paul-chelimo-proves-everyone-wrong-including-letsrun-com-win-u-s-s-first-olympic-5000-medal-52-years/

Of course you default to “super spikes”

the clear answer wrote:

rojo wrote:

You're joking right?

In the 2016 Olympics, Paul Chelimo closed in 53.1 and ran 13:03. In the process, his doors were BLOWN OFF by .6 by Mo Farah - and that was wihtout super spikes.

So can a pro close a 13:30 race in 53? yes. Most definitely.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/08/paul-chelimo-proves-everyone-wrong-including-letsrun-com-win-u-s-s-first-olympic-5000-medal-52-years/

I can just barely wrap my head around you talking about the shoes after every single race that occurs, but now you feel the need to mention when the shoes WEREN'T used because they didn't even exist? What is your problem? Are you paid by Nike to make sure nobody forgets their shoes work?

Too insecure to comment back. All he talks about is the shoes. Obsessed with them. It’s sad to see.

The Original Poster wrote:

Why did they finish the race on the opposite side of the track?

It looks like the track only has a single waterfall painted on the back stretch for the 5000m. They probably opted to use the double waterfall one-turn stagger at the main start line because of the massive amount of runners in the race.

Hocker aces the eye test. It's not that he ran 53 for the last 400 in a 13:30 race. It's that he infused a massive surge in the last 100 dusting his teammate who is no slouch. A 25.4 200 is no joke — especially with most of it in the last 100, he was cruising from 600 to 200.

Think of the guys that have shown a last 100 like that (and those that haven't):

-Muktar Edris

-Elijah Manangoi (pre-suspension)

-Mo Farah

-Matthew Centrowitz

-Nick Willis

-Jacob Kiplimo

-Conseslus Kipruto

Guys who I haven't seen finish like that despite their greatness:

-Jakob Ingrebridsten

-Salomon Barega

-Timothy Cheruiyot

-Joshua Cheptegei

-Stewart McSweyn

-Yomif Kejelcha

There're great champions in both groups, but the first group has overachieved their PBs to more medals. I think Hocker can do this potentially down the road, though obviously he'll need to progress to 3:31 (or faster)/12:55 fitness. He is a true shifter and that skillset is the difference between 4th-8th at Worlds and the medals.

You don't see too many 800/5000 doubles at conference meet. They were what like 2 hours apart? Maybe less.

Also didn't this 5000 violate California mask and social distancing mandates? Someone report them on Newsomes snitch line if that still exist.

I still think Hocker's double was more impressive, but Teare did close in 54 to win the 1500m in 3:39 over 3:34 guy Sam Tanner and made it look easy.

Does Hocker need to run the 5k at the trials and Teare the 1500m even though this whole time we've been thinking the other way around? Teare has beaten Hocker twice at mile/1500m and once at 3k and Hocker has beaten Teare at 3k and 5k twice.

Remember folks... speed hurts, sustained speed kills (Lagat closing a 12:59 race in sub 52)

Worth noting also that Boyden finished #9 and the top Frosh in the conference... Between Hicks, Sprout, and Boyden, that's going to be a very strong trio for years to come.

The Original Poster wrote:

Why did they finish the race on the opposite side of the track?

They ran the sprints opposite direction due to winds from the coast. Timing system moved to the new finish other side of the track.

avnlkkn wrote:

I still think Hocker's double was more impressive, but Teare did close in 54 to win the 1500m in 3:39 over 3:34 guy Sam Tanner and made it look easy.

Does Hocker need to run the 5k at the trials and Teare the 1500m even though this whole time we've been thinking the other way around? Teare has beaten Hocker twice at mile/1500m and once at 3k and Hocker has beaten Teare at 3k and 5k twice.

Similar to his indoor double: it's like the first race just primes him for a monster kick in the second race, both times at Teare's expense.

Runner10287 wrote:

You don't see too many 800/5000 doubles at conference meet. They were what like 2 hours apart? Maybe less.

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Similar to his indoor double: it's like the first race just primes him for a monster kick in the second race, both times at Teare's expense.

runner2life wrote:

Remember folks... speed hurts, sustained speed kills (Lagat closing a 12:59 race in sub 52)

Lagat is a great championship performer and tactician, but he did notably sit and kick and still lose two gold medals to El Guerrouj (2004 1,500) and Bekele (2009 5,000) because they both outlasted him in the home stretch. I wouldn't be as concerned about Hocker's sustained speed. He reminds me of Leo Manzano but with a ton more consistency and endurance. If he keeps developing, that final 100 surge is a massive asset.

Runner10287 wrote:

Also didn't this 5000 violate California mask and social distancing mandates? Someone report them on Newsomes snitch line if that still exist.

"But in California, there is no definitive rule mandating masks on the playing field, as in states such as Minnesota; though players, coaches and spectators on the sidelines and in the stands must wear the face coverings.

The California Interscholastic Federation, the body that governs high school athletics in the state, allows student-athletes to play without masks, for instance. Leagues have wide latitude to set rules."

Do you have the internet in whatever poverty state you're from? Or is the reading comprehension level not up to handling complete sentences like these?

pacfan wrote:

I agree that many pro's can close in 53 in a 13:30 race. Let's not forget that he ran a 1:46 800m race just over an hour earlier. It's not like he was fresh.

Just interesting comparing Coopers schedule to Hockers trying to figure out who had fresher legs.

Cooper

3:20pm 3:39 1500m - 2hr 10 Min then 13:34

Hocker

4:30pm 1:46 800m - 55 min? gap then 13:32

Sunday, May 16

2:50 PM National Anthem

3:00 PM M 4x100 Meter Relay * Final

3:10 PM W 4x100 Meter Relay * Final

3:20 PM M 1,500 Meters Final

3:30 PM W 1,500 Meters Final

3:40 PM M 110 Meter Hurdles Final

3:50 PM W 100 Meter Hurdles Final

4:00 PM M 400 Meters Final

4:10 PM W 400 Meters Final

4:20 PM M 100 Meters Final

4:25 PM W 100 Meters Final

4:30 PM M 800 Meters Final

4:40 PM W 800 Meters Final

4:50 PM M 400 Meter Hurdles Final

5:00 PM W 400 Meter Hurdles Final

5:10 PM M 200 Meters Final

5:20 PM W 200 Meters Final

5:30 PM M 5,000 Meters Final

5:50 PM W 5,000 Meters Final

The E’s, K’s and now the U’s use team tactics to run the kick out of great kickers as they did to Mo in his last world championship.

It takes a very special individual to take the punishment the Africans give out and still have the speed left at the end of the race.

Can the top Americans withstand this? One thing that I will say is true is the Americans will never use team tactics to win a race. Unlike the Africans no American would sacrifice their race for the glory of the USA.

He needs the standard in the 1500 and 5000 not much time to get it

Hocker for Gold wrote:

11 seconds on the last 100. Not too many great distance runners can do that.

And certainly not him