What a great athlete/kid.
State champ in HS in PA (2:08). Went D3 and wasn't even sure if she'd run. She won NCAAs as a frosh and seems poised to do it again this year as she's #1 in the D3 ranks by more than 7 seconds in the 800 at 2:03.25. She is also #1 at 400 (55.30) and #3 at 1500 (4:27.39).
She also starts on the soccer team which won a national title and has a perfect 4.0 GPA.
Does anyone have any great dual sport, same season stories / articles to share? My daughter is a rising FR in high school and the school is not allowing her to run XC and play soccer although there is plenty of precedence. Just looking for more supporting stories if she ends up wanting to do both.
I'm not sure if COVID switched anything but the typical season for D3 women's soccer is over by December so track and soccer competition seasons do not overlap. In most states, high school soccer and XC compete in the same season. I agree with your school in saying that your daughter should not do both. It doesn't seem fair to skip either team's practices and still compete and it honestly just seems like alot for a 15 yr old. She's a freshman, there are still 3 years for her to switch sports if she wants.
Messiah University excels in many sports and its Women's soccer team is somewhat of the crown jewel of the athlete program. Many youth attend Messiah soccer camps. Many athletes with a faith-based outlook on life forego opportunities at larger schools for the faith-based environment Messiah offers. I even thought that there was an outside chance that Marlee Starliper would forego the big stage and stay home to run for Messiah. This was filmed at Messiah College (now University):
An interesting article, but isn't the title misleading?
The headline says Esther is the Div. 3 record holder, but the text states she has the 3rd fastest time in D. 3 history.
Wouldn't Emily Richards of Ohio Northern (2:00.62) still be the Division 3 record holder?
Why the Nick Symmonds comparison? Because he went D3? This article is about how she's well-rounded as and athlete and student, excelling in two sports and 4.0. Symmonds obviously is more talented as a runner, while his second sport is goofy YouTube workout videos while selling caffeinated gum.
https://tx.milesplit.com/articles/292271/love-on-the-trackGod of Wine wrote:
Does anyone have any great dual sport, same season stories / articles to share? My daughter is a rising FR in high school and the school is not allowing her to run XC and play soccer although there is plenty of precedence. Just looking for more supporting stories if she ends up wanting to do both.
Love sisters from Colleyville Heritage HS in DFW area. I don't know how good they are at soccer (our soccer coach says they are very good), but they are clearly talented on the track.
BeevieB wrote:
Why the Nick Symmonds comparison? Because he went D3?
The Nick Symmonds comparison is obvious. A massive talent who was really good in HS but still went d3 and is bascially unbeatable at the D3 ranks.
God of Wine wrote:
Does anyone have any great dual sport, same season stories / articles to share? My daughter is a rising FR in high school and the school is not allowing her to run XC and play soccer although there is plenty of precedence. Just looking for more supporting stories if she ends up wanting to do both.
Are they in the same season?
I do get why the team sport coaches might want the athlete's there all the time and even the xc coaches as they don't people thinking practice is optional, but think these type of rules are kind of crazy. Shouldn't they teach people that in the real world exceptions are made. A new parent may only work part time, a super talented employee may get treated special.
I mean I think we don't give people enough credit. If the rule is, if you are on a sports team, you are expected to practice five days a week. I think the kids are smart enough to understand that Susan isn't blowing off practice when she's not there on Tuesday and Thursday - she's at soccer or whatever.
polar bear... wrote:
An interesting article, but isn't the title misleading?
The headline says Esther is the Div. 3 record holder, but the text states she has the 3rd fastest time in D. 3 history.
Wouldn't Emily Richards of Ohio Northern (2:00.62) still be the Division 3 record holder?
That's what I was thinking, polar bear.
Emily Richards actually has four faster times than Esther Seeland.
Emily Richards, 2:00.62
Richards (2), 2:00.67
Richards (3), 2:02.34
Richards (4), 2:02.84
Esther Seeland, 2:03.25
God of Wine wrote:
Does anyone have any great dual sport, same season stories / articles to share? My daughter is a rising FR in high school and the school is not allowing her to run XC and play soccer although there is plenty of precedence. Just looking for more supporting stories if she ends up wanting to do both.
Georgetown Soccer/Track recruit Melissa Riggins flirted with a same season soccer/XC dual in the fall of 2020, but decided herself to focus on soccer:
https://pa.milesplit.com/videos/448890/melissa-riggins-about-her-xc-debut-at-rwbGod of Wine wrote:
Does anyone have any great dual sport, same season stories / articles to share? My daughter is a rising FR in high school and the school is not allowing her to run XC and play soccer although there is plenty of precedence. Just looking for more supporting stories if she ends up wanting to do both.
We overlap track and soccer in my state. I don't think we've had anyone do both all 4 years of high school, but it's pretty common for freshmen and sophomores to double soccer + track or XC + club soccer. Our kids have always gotten significantly faster once they've switched to full time running, but I think they needed to figure that our on their own rather than having an adult make that choice for them. There needs to be compromise from BOTH coaches for it to work.
From a training perspective, that means that our soccer/xc kids are 5-6 day a week runners instead of 6-7. They have shorter and slower recovery and long runs knowing they will get some extra work in the evening and weekend. Our soccer/track kids are usually only running 3-4 x a week and it's mostly easy runs. We limit them to one track event per meet and they don't race if they have more than 2 soccer games that week.
God of Wine wrote:
Does anyone have any great dual sport, same season stories / articles to share? My daughter is a rising FR in high school and the school is not allowing her to run XC and play soccer although there is plenty of precedence. Just looking for more supporting stories if she ends up wanting to do both.
I played soccer and football in the same season in HS. I had a teammate who was a year younger who also did this double. We were both very good students. The deal with the AD was that we had to pick a primary sport and if there was a schedule conflict we had to attend the primary activity first. We often had to do a 2 hour football practice after school then bust over to the soccer fields or jump in a car and race to arrive at halftime and play the second half. I was a 5'7" 142 lb defensive back/wideout and midfielder, he was a 5'9" 150 lb quarterback/kicker (D1 kicker) and left wing.
I was a better football player who relied on very good speed and endurance to be disruptive in soccer and shut down the opposing best players. He was a very skillful athlete with great hand eye foot coordination. His son was the state player of the year in soccer recently. We both work in D1 athletics in separate parts of the country.
This was in the early 80s. The soccer coach often said that we paved the way to make it ok for the better athletes in the school to choose to play soccer and they won the state championships two years after I graduated. My only regret is that I didn't jump into a 10k or half marathon at that time because I was in fantastic shape and I'd love to know what I could have done.
Had a year 12 girl (16yrs old) 3 years ago who did XC / Field Hockey and Track in the one year, she placed 3rd nationally in XC and 2nd in 1500mtrs and made national squad / teams in all 3 sports that year. I was the track and XC coach which was lucky, just used the Hockey games as endurance / lactate sessions, and did some specific strength for XC and speed for track. Def wouldn’t work much past that age though as codes put too much pressure on attendance at practises etc.
Back in the late 90s in Illinois, there was a high schooler named Nick Setta who was a multi sport super star. Went to Lockport High School.
Top 5 at the cross country state meet (All-state 3 years in a row)
Starter on good varsity soccer team
Kicked a 60 yard field goal for the football team
All state in the 800, high jump, and 300 hurdles
I think he wound up as a field goal kicker at Norte Dame. Exceptional athlete
Old news wrote:
God of Wine wrote:
Does anyone have any great dual sport, same season stories / articles to share? My daughter is a rising FR in high school and the school is not allowing her to run XC and play soccer although there is plenty of precedence. Just looking for more supporting stories if she ends up wanting to do both.
I played soccer and football in the same season in HS. I had a teammate who was a year younger who also did this double. We were both very good students. The deal with the AD was that we had to pick a primary sport and if there was a schedule conflict we had to attend the primary activity first. We often had to do a 2 hour football practice after school then bust over to the soccer fields or jump in a car and race to arrive at halftime and play the second half. I was a 5'7" 142 lb defensive back/wideout and midfielder, he was a 5'9" 150 lb quarterback/kicker (D1 kicker) and left wing.
I was a better football player who relied on very good speed and endurance to be disruptive in soccer and shut down the opposing best players. He was a very skillful athlete with great hand eye foot coordination. His son was the state player of the year in soccer recently. We both work in D1 athletics in separate parts of the country.
This was in the early 80s. The soccer coach often said that we paved the way to make it ok for the better athletes in the school to choose to play soccer and they won the state championships two years after I graduated. My only regret is that I didn't jump into a 10k or half marathon at that time because I was in fantastic shape and I'd love to know what I could have done.
So you posted to brag about being the world's greatest athlete? Or one of the 2 greatest? Playing high school sports is incredibly unimpressive. That really was the pinnacle of your career? I was the best distance runner at my high school and didn't participate in the track program. That's how impressed I am with anyone on a high school team! Does Jenner know you're out there? He considered himself the world's greatest athlete didn't he?
Esther Seeland has some competition!
Esther Seeland of Messiah University:
55.30 in the 400 (#1 in D3)
2:03.25 in the 800 (#1 in D3)
4:27.39 in the 1500 (#3 in D3)
Emily Pomainville of SUNY Geneseo:
56.85 in the 400 (#16 in D3)
2:04.36 in the 800 (#2 in D3)
4:22.47 in the 1500 (#1 in D3)
16:29.80 in the 5000 (#2 in D3)
Not sure what events these two will run in the DIII NCAA Championships but Emily Pomainville just ran 2:04.36 in the 800 running away with the win with second place in 2:11.90. Esther's 2:03.25 came in a race where she came in second place chasing the winner who went 2:01.82. This could be a great showdown between these two!
CrispyChicken wrote:
Messiah University excels in many sports and its Women's soccer team is somewhat of the crown jewel of the athlete program. Many youth attend Messiah soccer camps. Many athletes with a faith-based outlook on life forego opportunities at larger schools for the faith-based environment Messiah offers. I even thought that there was an outside chance that Marlee Starliper would forego the big stage and stay home to run for Messiah. This was filmed at Messiah College (now University):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxk4ZBnfD5g
Actually, until Marlee became a HS elite runner, her plans were to go to Messiah University. Both her parents graduated from there and they both ran Cross Country and Track there. Also Her older sister Morgan went to Messiah as well. The Starliper’s only live 10 minutes from Messiah.
2:02.75 last night
Track Historian wrote:
Back in the late 90s in Illinois, there was a high schooler named Nick Setta who was a multi sport super star. Went to Lockport High School.
Top 5 at the cross country state meet (All-state 3 years in a row)
Starter on good varsity soccer team
Kicked a 60 yard field goal for the football team
All state in the 800, high jump, and 300 hurdles
I think he wound up as a field goal kicker at Norte Dame. Exceptional athlete
Setta ran 14:46 as a soph at Detweiller and high jumped at least 6'10" in HS.
National Champion 2:02.52
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