Just know that if he also browses these boards, you're screwed.
Just know that if he also browses these boards, you're screwed.
It's like they used to say back in the 80's (or 90's?) "is it the shoes?"
lookism wrote:
Hard lesson.
Adult life involves a lot of power games. Lots of people can do things better themselves. You need to deal with who is in charge.
Cockold philosophy.
You said you wanted more volume, but that you were just training March-March and the track season is short. Didn't you get in enough volume before the season? Volume now isn't going to go much for the short season that is going to be over soon.
lookism wrote:
Hard lesson.
Adult life involves a lot of power games. Lots of people can do things better themselves. You need to deal with who is in charge.
You do NOT need to deal with the self-proclaimed 'in charge' coach. Avoid any discussion and even any contact, with the coach. This is easy to do and works. I did it in high school and the coach never fouled up my training nor anything else. Never prescribed any workouts. He wouldn't have recognized me. He literally didn't know my name. I am not kidding. Steer clear. That's the answer.
Runnerboyseekingadvice wrote:
During this short track season due to covid my coach and I have gotten in some pretty big arguments over the past 4 weeks. First he was mad cause I didn't want to 16x200 @30-31 because I had just raced on Saturday for xc and we were just getting transitioned into track. Then I asked him for more volume because I a endurance guy not a speed guy and he practically said his way is best but his philosophy is just 5 days of speed work(5practice days of school.) Race on Saturday. It's hard to do volume in the morning because it's hard to already recover from all of the workouts. Yesterday he told me I was scratched from the 1500 and so all I had was the 4x400 now and then last second he yells at me to get on the line with no warm up or uniform and made me run the race, complete and utter disrespect cause I could've gotten hurt so easy and who does that?? He then proceeded to yell at me after and practically told me off. At this point during the covid year I kind of just want to quit and find open races to run in while having a personal coach train me who has coached me to faster times than my high school coach anyways. What should I do? I am a junior in high school, I am interested in schools so would this affect my college process?
PRs:
2:00-800
4:01-1500
9:17 3200
I would like to hear his side of the story. Because:
1, Thos are good results
2, He obviously believes in you
3, He probably knows a lot about running
Runnerboyseekingadvice wrote:
During this short track season due to covid my coach and I have gotten in some pretty big arguments over the past 4 weeks. First he was mad cause I didn't want to 16x200 @30-31 because I had just raced on Saturday for xc and we were just getting transitioned into track. Then I asked him for more volume because I a endurance guy not a speed guy and he practically said his way is best but his philosophy is just 5 days of speed work(5practice days of school.) Race on Saturday. It's hard to do volume in the morning because it's hard to already recover from all of the workouts. Yesterday he told me I was scratched from the 1500 and so all I had was the 4x400 now and then last second he yells at me to get on the line with no warm up or uniform and made me run the race, complete and utter disrespect cause I could've gotten hurt so easy and who does that?? He then proceeded to yell at me after and practically told me off. At this point during the covid year I kind of just want to quit and find open races to run in while having a personal coach train me who has coached me to faster times than my high school coach anyways. What should I do? I am a junior in high school, I am interested in schools so would this affect my college process?
PRs:
2:00-800
4:01-1500
9:17 3200
That training isn't going to help you become a better distance runner and it sounds like you know that, but you also don't have much time left in the season. If you think you've got a lot in the tank and can go closer to 9:10, then it would be worth it (to quit). A good two mile time as a junior goes a long way for recruitment.
You've got less than a month left of the season, so you need to not worry too much about volume, maybe get in a long run Sunday mornings and add a couple easy evening or morning runs during the week, and suck it up and do the veteran coach's workouts. They will prime you to peak within the month, which is fine considering the timing.
Sack him and take his name for your new squad.
have to say it..... wrote:
lookism wrote:
Hard lesson.
Adult life involves a lot of power games. Lots of people can do things better themselves. You need to deal with who is in charge.
You do NOT need to deal with the self-proclaimed 'in charge' coach. Avoid any discussion and even any contact, with the coach. This is easy to do and works. I did it in high school and the coach never fouled up my training nor anything else. Never prescribed any workouts. He wouldn't have recognized me. He literally didn't know my name. I am not kidding. Steer clear. That's the answer.
This is one way of dealing with him. Mostly working outside of his sight.
Is JS popped up in the thread? 😄
My popcorn is ready😎
Hey man, this sounds no good - bro, just ditch the team and the coach. Begin a new training cycle immediately, on your own. Research it and put together a plan. Aim for late summer track meets. Get some solid races under your belt and get those times down! Then you'll have decent times to send to college coaches when you start applying this fall. Go for it, rock and roll!
I'm a HS coach and I dont allow kids to run for me that have a private coach. My advice for you is dump your private coach, and if you cannot have faith in your HS coach, then switch schools to a school where you can have faith in that HS coach, but dump your private coach.
Runnerboyseekingadvice wrote:Yes, he was like a Vietnam drill sergeant and is very old haha
Funny you should say that. My former high school coach, who ran a 4:04 mile, was actually a two tour Vietnam Vet and a Marine drill sergeant. We also took 4th in State XC my senior year. He had only been the coach for two years. He also had us do a lot of intervals and yes I was more of a distance guy. It did improve my speed a lot and really helped me later on and in college. This was back in the mid to late 70's so he was probably about 35 then. Although I didn't really like him much them, he was the best coach I had in high school.
Canefis wrote:
Is JS popped up in the thread? 😄
My popcorn is ready😎
xD
Which coach? My coaches are fine with it. We’re quite in consensus
Change your name to Charmin, cuz you soft as tissue paper.
lookism wrote:
have to say it..... wrote:
You do NOT need to deal with the self-proclaimed 'in charge' coach. Avoid any discussion and even any contact, with the coach. This is easy to do and works. I did it in high school and the coach never fouled up my training nor anything else. Never prescribed any workouts. He wouldn't have recognized me. He literally didn't know my name. I am not kidding. Steer clear. That's the answer.
This is one way of dealing with him. Mostly working outside of his sight.
I'm glad you liked the idea to some extent but perhaps I was suggesting something a little different from what you're thinking. When I was in high school, the distance runners didn't run workouts given us by the track coach. We didn't attend the practices. I knew of one exception to this. When I stumbled across a track practice - the only one I ever witnessed - there was a guy I know there. One guy out at a school with 3000 students who was into running and participated in the track program.
So, the way my peers and I did it was to train and race - and the school and coach were none the wiser. This didn't exactly solve all the coaching complaints that teens post every day on this Board. It didn't solve them because there weren't any. None of us had any complaints with the coach. He had no influence on us. I literally never met him.
I suppose peer and parental pressure prevent this approach now. I'm not sure if there is a teenager in the United States who currently trains hard and races well who is not doing so under the umbrella of a school-sponsored program. Maybe there's one or even a few. When I went to races decades ago, my division was loaded. It wasn't just a couple guys from my school and I cleaning up the age group medals. There were a bunch from other schools that we didn't recognize. In a big race that drew talent throughout the region, my training group and I would be well out of the top-3 awards for 17-and-under. This is simply to say that non-school-affiliated running was widespread and popular at the time.
I realize it's hard to imagine any of the kids starting threads about their terrible coaches doing what I did then and recommend now. That having been said, it works. No coaching problems nor complaints. Plenty of mileage, no daily speedwork. No weekly - or more frequent - racing. Those with big slow-twitch percentages are welcome to run distance events. If you're lousy at mid-distance, you don't run it. Great idea. It was normal once. Could it be done now? That's a different question with a different answer from: Will the teenagers of today take back their autonomy and take control of their running?
Someone asked before if you have a different XC coach. If so, can you talk to him and get the two guys to talk?
What states run the 1500 in high school?