ShortSteeple wrote:
The times don't count. They started on the wrong line. Sounds like it was about 80 meters short.
Any proof of this?
ShortSteeple wrote:
The times don't count. They started on the wrong line. Sounds like it was about 80 meters short.
Any proof of this?
bump... is this true?
ekusure? wrote:
ShortSteeple wrote:
The times don't count. They started on the wrong line. Sounds like it was about 80 meters short.
Any proof of this?
It's true, the company that installed the track apparently painted the start line in the wrong spot
80 meters though? Woof that’s what 14 seconds? Anyone have that confirmed, that really makes the results radically different. I was assuming it’d be smaller than that.
gernu wrote:
GWN wrote:
9 posts before the @$$holes showed up. That’s actually pretty good.
You have to wonder what these types of people are like in everyday life.
It is interesting how the most intelligent posters are labeled with pejorative terms by the idiots. Pointing out that Nowak is not Olympic caliber does not make one an assho1e. Surely some of you obtuse folks can grasp this? Anyway great run by Nowak.
As if I needed any further vindication...
gernu wrote:
gernu wrote:
It is interesting how the most intelligent posters are labeled with pejorative terms by the idiots. Pointing out that Nowak is not Olympic caliber does not make one an assho1e. Surely some of you obtuse folks can grasp this? Anyway great run by Nowak.
As if I needed any further vindication...
Your original post was that he is arguably not "Olympic Caliber." ("Olympic Caliber" being a term you have been unable to actually define yourself.) If he is arguably not Olympic Caliber, than the reverse is also true. There is no proof that any of your opinions are right, reasonable, or justified (The definition of vindication.)
What is interesting is that people were saying the improvements in this race were due to the "super shoes." However, the false PR's were due to the race being short. If we add 14-15 seconds for the ~80m, Nowak would have ran an 8:35. If he didn't have super shoes would that mean he is only actually in ~8:45 shape? I can't believe he'd be that slow and the entire field would be even slower?
Duh. You act like you discovered that they did not race 3000m. You are a bit late to be jumping on this train. Furthermore, Nowak is NOT Olympic caliber in the steeplechase which I repeatedly stressed despite the nattering nabobs of naïveté futility trying to tell me that I was wrong. I need no vindication as I was always correct. I also don’t need the apologies from you dimwits.
Looking at Google Earth historical satellite imagery I can see the old start line in 2017 images and what I presume is the new start line in Nov 2020 images. The difference is large, about 60 m. So about 10 s of race time.
How did no one notice this before the race??? They were basically lined up at the start of the curve.
There's no way it would be 80 meters short. Maybe 10-20 meters short.
giardia wrote:
Looking at Google Earth historical satellite imagery I can see the old start line in 2017 images and what I presume is the new start line in Nov 2020 images. The difference is large, about 60 m. So about 10 s of race time.
How did no one notice this before the race??? They were basically lined up at the start of the curve.
can you post the images?
Satellite images of the track: https://imgur.com/a/5bwQSlb
giardia wrote:
Looking at Google Earth historical satellite imagery I can see the old start line in 2017 images and what I presume is the new start line in Nov 2020 images. The difference is large, about 60 m. So about 10 s of race time.
How did no one notice this before the race??? They were basically lined up at the start of the curve.
Strange. I agree. Common sense would indicate that if you're doing an inside water jump you know that starting by the 200-meter mark isn't right as you run less distance each lap with the water jump.
Granted, if you're an athlete it's not something you may be thinking about as the race starts. But coaches/race officials should have at least been thinking something was fishy.
4thYearFreshman wrote:
ekusure? wrote:
Any proof of this?
It's true, the company that installed the track apparently painted the start line in the wrong spot
The starting line is in the right place, they just didn't start the race at the steeplechase start.
Look at the splits. Those splits begin at the finishline with 7 laps to go. The first split is 33 seconds, which is consistant with a 200m split, meaning they started at the wrong line.
giardia wrote:
Satellite images of the track:
https://imgur.com/a/5bwQSlb
Wow, so it's 60 meters off. That would be a 10-11 second difference for the men, 12-13 seconds difference for the women.
Also SHAME on any coach that let their athletes race the steeplechase from the wrong starting line. Looking at the track it's so obvious the start line was incorrect. Toledo, Butler, West Virginia, Miami and the other coaches should be ashamed they couldn't notice it. Many of those programs posted on social media bragging about school records or fast times in the steeplechase.
Now these times WILL NOT count towards NCAA qualifying or conference qualifying. Those athletes will have to find another opportunity to run a fast steeplechase for a qualifying time. But since they raced they probably don't want to go back to back weekends and they are running out of time in their season.
If you beat the Olympic standard does that not make you Olympic caliber?
A. Yes
B. No
C. Maybe
D. gernu has issues
Furman was at this meet and their coach Robert Gary is a two time Olympian in the steeplechase. Very surprised he didn't notice that the start was marked wrong.
malmo wrote:
Look at the splits. Those splits begin at the finishline with 7 laps to go. The first split is 33 seconds, which is consistant with a 200m split, meaning they started at the wrong line.
Yeah if it's not apparent already, here's a photo of the start:
https://philponder.zenfolio.com/p269699562/h8b2b040d#h8b2b03c3Looks like the new line is 9.2 meters and the old is at 67.59 meters. Difference is 58.39 or just a bit over 10 seconds. Makes the times look like.....
Women Previously 10:30 or under:
Cashin 10:00.28
McCabe 10:09.8
Ellis 10:13.9
Taborda 10:17.3
Karaslan 10:24.5
Dowie 10:29.6
Boice 10:30.0
Men Previously 8:40 or under:
Nowak 8:31.4
Jaziri 8:33.1
Barraza 8:36.0
Coleman 8:42.1
Garcia 8:48.3
Barriatua 8:49.7
Schyns 8:50.9