Did Matt Gaetz have sex with a 17-year old? Or is the victim of an extortion plot?

wild oatz wrote:

golden hamster wrote:

The age of consent used to be 13 in Spain which is severely alarming. I don't really want to comment on this but personally I am not sure if 17, well, I don't know.

It doesn't matter that you don't know. There is state age 18 law and a Federal law that keeps interstate travelers from breaking that state law. In one state the law can be age 17 and that makes no difference. The law was broken, and worse for Gaetz, he paid he to travel out of state with him. Gaetz has to be the stupidest lawyer in Congress to think he can get around Florida sex laws by traveling to another state to get around the restriction on his wild loins.

Err, what? That I don't know what?

sp2 wrote:

Hoaxer wrote:

Gaetz boasted last night that there are no pics of him with child prostitutes. So nobody photographed his behavior is what he appears to be asserting.

Yeah, he also, IIRC, insisted that he hadn't 'traveled with any 17-year-old.' Not that he didn't have sex with one, or with a 15-year-old, etc.

A very strangely *specific* denial of one detail that purposely ignores the much bigger issues.

Gaetz is the kind of rich-boy low-life who thinks the fact that Daddy bought his way into law school, and then (literally) bought his way into Congress makes him *smart*.

(A whole lot like, well, every single person in the Trump family.)

He's about to find out how horribly wrong he is on that score.

I think the far bigger story on this thread is what your DSM V diagnosis is, You have this weird obsession with a congressman and obvious class issues. I don't know if your normal antidepressant isn't working, but I bet you could improve if you asked your dr for a supplement.

YWA wrote:

I too, can't stand Gaetz but a 17 yr old female can look like a 22 year old.

If both wanted it thats fine.

What about a 16 year-old? A 14 year-old? Is there no age that is too young as long as both parties want it?

The goal with these laws is to protect children from adults they may want to take advantage of their immaturity. In that regard it seems better to be overly restrictive than not restrictive enough. After all, there is nothing preventing people from just waiting until both are of legal age.

take2 wrote:

YWA wrote:

I too, can't stand Gaetz but a 17 yr old female can look like a 22 year old.

If both wanted it thats fine.

What about a 16 year-old? A 14 year-old? Is there no age that is too young as long as both parties want it?

The goal with these laws is to protect children from adults they may want to take advantage of their immaturity. In that regard it seems better to be overly restrictive than not restrictive enough. After all, there is nothing preventing people from just waiting until both are of legal age.

My point is this, my great uncle married my great aunt, he was 19 and she was 15, they were happily married for 60 plus years. If that happened today he'd be a criminal ?

YWA wrote:

take2 wrote:

What about a 16 year-old? A 14 year-old? Is there no age that is too young as long as both parties want it?

The goal with these laws is to protect children from adults they may want to take advantage of their immaturity. In that regard it seems better to be overly restrictive than not restrictive enough. After all, there is nothing preventing people from just waiting until both are of legal age.

My point is this, my great uncle married my great aunt, he was 19 and she was 15, they were happily married for 60 plus years. If that happened today he'd be a criminal ?

In many (all?) states, yes.

This is not a road you want to go down.

"We should protect adolescents from predatory adults" is generally a consensus opinion.

Did you really have to both-sides it to kick off this disgusting thread.

Again -- please seek outside training so this stuff can stop.

Harambe wrote:

YWA wrote:

My point is this, my great uncle married my great aunt, he was 19 and she was 15, they were happily married for 60 plus years. If that happened today he'd be a criminal ?

In many (all?) states, yes.

This is not a road you want to go down.

"We should protect adolescents from predatory adults" is generally a consensus opinion.

Many people, years ago, got married like that, you may want to paint a broad brush but it's not that simple.

In some cases it's not appropriate, others cases it is.

YWA wrote:

Many people, years ago, got married like that, you may want to paint a broad brush but it's not that simple.

In some cases it's not appropriate, others cases it is.

It is unclear the benefit to society we gain from letting 15 year olds marry adults.

I am glad things have changed since "years ago." Way too many opportunities for coercion and abuse when people are not fully grown and dependent on others to survive.

Thanks for sharing.

It meant everything.

Double Standard Bearer wrote:

Ain't 1857 wrote:

Grand Old Pedophiles.

Enjoying this. Republican turns out to be a bad guy. Everyone agrees, get the A-hole out of here.

Democratic governor of New York harasses 8 women. Circle the Mother effing wagons.

Adult women vs. children.

ure an idjit.

Oh....and I don't care what they do with Cuomo. Another family which should be extinguished.

Double Standard Bearer wrote:

Ain't 1857 wrote:

Grand Old Pedophiles.

Enjoying this. Republican turns out to be a bad guy. Everyone agrees, get the A-hole out of here.

Democratic governor of New York harasses 8 women. Circle the Mother effing wagons.

Except that virtually every Democrat in NY is calling for Cuomo to resign. Hardly circle the wagons.

Name one Republican who has called for Gaetz to resign.

Beyond that, it's apples to oranges. The women Cuomo 'harassed' are all adults. From what I've read, most of the claims against Cuomo range from 'he put his hand on my back' to 'he asked me to sing Danny Boy in the office' to 'he kissed me against my will'. Dumb things for Cuomo to do to any woman, but particularly with any woman who works for him. But to equate this to what Gaetz is reportedly being investigated for is beyond stupid.

NORTH LONDON IS RED wrote:

If my daughter or son is 17, and dating someone who is 22, I'm also not pleased.

Those are probably equivalent in terms of emotional and sexual maturity.

...also at 17, girls are probably at their horniest, at 50 , nah not so.

The point is you cannot just make everything between sexes 'equal'...they aren't. There are different rates of development etc

johnny99 wrote:

Double Standard Bearer wrote:

Enjoying this. Republican turns out to be a bad guy. Everyone agrees, get the A-hole out of here.

Democratic governor of New York harasses 8 women. Circle the Mother effing wagons.

Except that virtually every Democrat in NY is calling for Cuomo to resign. Hardly circle the wagons.

Name one Republican who has called for Gaetz to resign.

Beyond that, it's apples to oranges. The women Cuomo 'harassed' are all adults. From what I've read, most of the claims against Cuomo range from 'he put his hand on my back' to 'he asked me to sing Danny Boy in the office' to 'he kissed me against my will'. Dumb things for Cuomo to do to any woman, but particularly with any woman who works for him. But to equate this to what Gaetz is reportedly being investigated for is beyond stupid.

Well, there are three women I dated who decided they wanted to have sex, which they initiated, and that the last time I saw each of them. It when from "I like you a lot so let's make out," then afterwards "let's see each other again this weekend," then a few days later, one call and two voicemails, saying basically the same thing "that was a mistake, that never should have happened ... goodbye." I wonder with all these claims of harassment, if I held political office, that one more more of those three would claim that I took advantage of them when that was not the case at all.

Well, Sam -- unfortunately, there are laws that prevent you from dating a 17 year old in some states, no matter what your sexual desires are.

The apologists on this thread ... I am very happy to see Gaetz exposed, but not so happy that everyone is defending dating teenagers.

YWA wrote:

take2 wrote:

What about a 16 year-old? A 14 year-old? Is there no age that is too young as long as both parties want it?

The goal with these laws is to protect children from adults they may want to take advantage of their immaturity. In that regard it seems better to be overly restrictive than not restrictive enough. After all, there is nothing preventing people from just waiting until both are of legal age.

My point is this, my great uncle married my great aunt, he was 19 and she was 15, they were happily married for 60 plus years. If that happened today he'd be a criminal ?

Matt Gaetz is 38 years old. He was in college when this girl was in diapers. You guys need to stop defending this predator and his rapey friends.

So Gaetz is a pedo, Marjorie Traitor Greene is an adulterer with a tantric sex kink, Roger Stone is a swinger, and Boebert's husband exposed himself to children. Why do I get feeling that the Qanon obsession with secret societies of sexual deviants was just a whole lot of projection?

Yep, Q-anon had the right idea, just was looking in the wrong places.

There isn't a man under40 and possibly older who doesn't respect him on some inner private level.