The Me Too Movement Has Gotten ABSURD

Hedjd wrote:

Certainly it seems Bill Clinton, JFK and the like could never have survived in office today.

JFK was before my time so I don't know how well known it was that he was a "playboy" while he was in office. This may have come to light after his passing. Either way, there is a difference between cheating on your wife and being accused of sexual assault. I'm sure Marilyn Monroe enjoyed messing around with the President as much as he did. She was a willing participant and never accused him of wrongdoing.

As for Clinton, the Lewinsky scandal was much of the same - basic infidelity. Now, the accusations by Paula Jones and others could have dealt him a serious blow but I doubt anyone left of center would have called for the President to resign. Nearly everyone on the Right, however, would have called on him to resign.

docLorna wrote:

I can try,

flirting, touching, kissing, exposing oneself and so forth when you are in a position of power or authority. Work places are meant for work. If you absolutely need to engage in these manners at work, something is wrong with your life and should look into it because no one deserves to be on the sh!tty end of it.

OK thank you BUT those behaviors are they acceptable when not in a position of powe?. So no flirting at work? Makes sense but not really enforceable as flirting loosely defined is so ubiquitous.

Yeah, putting covid positive elderly into assisted living facilities and then cooking the books in your favor on the deaths is no problem. But to foolishly flirt with any female is grounds for a death sentence, at least for Republicans, and worth at least an slap on the wrist for Democrats.!

runnER/DR wrote:

Hedjd wrote:

OK I admit I am left of center politically and therefore am a bit biased in favor of someone like Al Franken or Andrew Cuomo BUT why should Franken have resigned and why should Cuomo resign? What did Cuomo do that was so awful? It seems to me the worst thing he has done is maybe he is being a bit deceptive about being a bit creepy around younger women. Is this really so bad? Maybe I am wrong but one gets to the point where one is labeled something and there are no gradations of transgressions. Certainly it seems Bill Clinton, JFK and the like could never have survived in office today.

Just to clarify, are you outraged the Kavanaugh ordeal was completely unfair to him?

Kavanaugh was accused of rape. This is obviously not cool behavior. This is criminal also. Was it fair that he was accused? I have no idea about that.

Hedjd wrote:

OK I admit I am left of center politically and therefore am a bit biased in favor of someone like Al Franken or Andrew Cuomo BUT why should Franken have resigned and why should Cuomo resign? What did Cuomo do that was so awful? It seems to me the worst thing he has done is maybe he is being a bit deceptive about being a bit creepy around younger women. Is this really so bad? Maybe I am wrong but one gets to the point where one is labeled something and there are no gradations of transgressions. Certainly it seems Bill Clinton, JFK and the like could never have survived in office today.

I think you have a good point here... Its ludicrous that Franken resigned. I have no horse in the Cuomo race. If he did stuff that doesn't pass the smell test, fine, get out. But that is not clear to me yet. I'd do a Northam at this point if I were him.

And ffs people, just behave going forward.

Hedjd wrote:

runnER/DR wrote:

Just to clarify, are you outraged the Kavanaugh ordeal was completely unfair to him?

Kavanaugh was accused of rape. This is obviously not cool behavior. This is criminal also. Was it fair that he was accused? I have no idea about that.

Do you recall how much time was spent on the Kavanaugh allegations? Cuomo's bigger issue is the nursing home issue and being an overall a-hole to so many people.

Hedjd wrote:

docLorna wrote:

I can try,

flirting, touching, kissing, exposing oneself and so forth when you are in a position of power or authority. Work places are meant for work. If you absolutely need to engage in these manners at work, something is wrong with your life and should look into it because no one deserves to be on the sh!tty end of it.

OK thank you BUT those behaviors are they acceptable when not in a position of powe?. So no flirting at work? Makes sense but not really enforceable as flirting loosely defined is so ubiquitous.

I was talking about the Cuomo situation but those behaviours are never acceptable when/if they make someone uncomfortable. If the person does not reciprocate positively it means you’re stepping on top of the boundaries.

Example: your 23 yrs old daughter visits during the summer, it’s a hot day she’s on the deck sun tanning. You have a landscaper doing work in your yard and he won’t stop looking at her with flirty eyes and sticking his tongue out. It makes her uncomfortable enough that she spends the rest of the day inside. You ask her what’s wrong and she tells you.

Would you just tell her to get over it because it’s normal for a man to find a young woman beautiful or would you walk out and tell that creep what you think of him?

People in position of power(men in this instance) know what boundaries are and when to stop or what not to do. They chose to ignore it. We HAVE to normalize speaking up and not be treated like we are in the wrong to start with.

Does that explain?

Yes but you are obviously describing creepy behavior. What about something like Cuomo asking a 28 year old about her sexual life? It is obviously inappropriate but clearly not the same as assaulting her. Should he resign for being a bit awkward and inappropriate?

Not CNN wrote:

Hedjd wrote:

Kavanaugh was accused of rape. This is obviously not cool behavior. This is criminal also. Was it fair that he was accused? I have no idea about that.

Do you recall how much time was spent on the Kavanaugh allegations? Cuomo's bigger issue is the nursing home issue and being an overall a-hole to so many people.

Sure we are in agreement there.

Definitely not ideal inner office talk, but his resignation is more than warranted based on the Covid Cover Up. If he was a Republican he would already be in jail.

Hedjd wrote:

BOHICA wrote:

Furthermore, you can be both liberal and misogynistic. It's not a binary situation.

Of course. However intelligence matters and so far none of you have offered any.

I think the handle, "suck it up butter up" tell you this poster will not be capable of rational thought.

You are completely right inappropriate sexual comment has become so taboo that the reaction to it does not reflect the act.

You could start a physical fight and no one years later would make you quit your job about it.

Hedjd wrote:

[quote]docLorna wrote:

[quote]Hedjd wrote:

[quote]docLorna wrote:]

Yes but you are obviously describing creepy behavior. What about something like Cuomo asking a 28 year old about her sexual life? It is obviously inappropriate but clearly not the same as assaulting her. Should he resign for being a bit awkward and inappropriate?

Put yourself in her shoes just for 1 minute in this situation.

What is usually the step after a man ask about your sexual behaviours, after he said he was lonely.....? What is the next step?

That’s right, he’s testing the water, stepping over the boundaries to see how far he can get. I’m glad(and we should all be)that she spoke up.

Not CNN wrote:

Hedjd wrote:

Yes but you are obviously describing creepy behavior. What about something like Cuomo asking a 28 year old about her sexual life? It is obviously inappropriate but clearly not the same as assaulting her. Should he resign for being a bit awkward and inappropriate?

Definitely not ideal inner office talk, but his resignation is more than warranted based on the Covid Cover Up. If he was a Republican he would already be in jail.

Republicans could learn so much from democrats. We hold our own accountable, Republicans just defend and lie to protect.

Common sense.. wrote:

Republicans could learn so much from democrats. We hold our own accountable, Republicans just defend and lie to protect.

Really?!?!? Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Eric Swalwell, all the Democratic Governors and Mayors...tell me another one!

runnER/DR wrote:

Hedjd wrote:

OK I admit I am left of center politically and therefore am a bit biased in favor of someone like Al Franken or Andrew Cuomo BUT why should Franken have resigned and why should Cuomo resign? What did Cuomo do that was so awful? It seems to me the worst thing he has done is maybe he is being a bit deceptive about being a bit creepy around younger women. Is this really so bad? Maybe I am wrong but one gets to the point where one is labeled something and there are no gradations of transgressions. Certainly it seems Bill Clinton, JFK and the like could never have survived in office today.

Just to clarify, are you outraged the Kavanaugh ordeal was completely unfair to him?

About ten years ago a couple female coworkers showed me a very graphic picture of a naked male. I don't do that stuff at work but I just shrugged it off and it was forgotten.

I certainly didn't think anyone should get in trouble or God forbid lose their jobs over it.

But the metro people think differently.

Not metro metoo people

docLorna wrote:

Hedjd wrote:

[quote]docLorna wrote:

[quote]Hedjd wrote:

[quote]docLorna wrote:]

Yes but you are obviously describing creepy behavior. What about something like Cuomo asking a 28 year old about her sexual life? It is obviously inappropriate but clearly not the same as assaulting her. Should he resign for being a bit awkward and inappropriate?

Put yourself in her shoes just for 1 minute in this situation.

What is usually the step after a man ask about your sexual behaviours, after he said he was lonely.....? What is the next step?

That’s right, he’s testing the water, stepping over the boundaries to see how far he can get. I’m glad(and we should all be)that she spoke up.

Sure but do you think he should resign for that behavior? The nursing home scandal is a whole different deal but do you think he should resign for his creepy behavior toward women? And of course it is not creepy when they start dating and have a relationship?

Hedjd wrote:

suck it up, buttercup wrote:

Have a nice cry and you'll feel a lot better.

I am not emotional about this at all. You need more analytical ability to engage here. Is flirting now a reason to resign from office? Maybe so.

Way too transparent.

We love your tears for Trump ?

ENJOY YOUR LOSS ??

25 allegations for your boy wrote:

Hedjd wrote:

I am not emotional about this at all. You need more analytical ability to engage here. Is flirting now a reason to resign from office? Maybe so.

Way too transparent.

We love your tears for Trump ?

ENJOY YOUR LOSS ??

I am glad he lost you moron! He is a terrible human being. Just lousy.