Obama was pro Dr. Seuss, shows how crazy we've gone since than

trollism wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Don't be absurd. We all know things like Dr. Seuss are not racist and Mr. Potato head is not sexist. This is a woke crowd going looking for things to assign racism to where no racism exists. If you want to argue Aunt Jemima is offensive I may disagree but I'm open to discussing that one. Dr. Seuss, no, this is nonsense and we all know it is nonsense. This is not about race, this is about signaling and a political agenda that requires intimidation of the other side into compliance.

The Mr Potato head thing had already been proven as right-wing hysteria.

Why are you people still screaming about it?

Your family must be so proud of you. Days and days and days of screaming and shouting like a child about Mr Potato Head.

Amazing stuff.

This is not alt-right hysteria. We recently had an actress fired for being conservative. Oh, I forgot she made an anti-semantic tweet, accept it wasn't anti-semantic and her co-worker on the left made a far more offensive and factually incorrect holocaust tweet and is just fine.

Amazon canceled a Libertarian platform after the capitol riot under the guise that they were responsible for the riot even though it actually has come out the riots were primarily coordinated on Facebook and Twitter. Didn't see any reversal based on that.

Amazon is participating in digital book burnings by removing books that upset trans activists.

The Biden administration is trying to force female sports to accept boys.

Schools are teaching critical race theory, not sure if you saw the degrees of whiteness chart from New York Schools.

We had billions in private property damage this summer due to riots of a Marxist movement embraced by the left.

This is not hysteria, it is time for Wester Society to wake up and reject this nonsense. I never would have guessed that France, one of the most left-leaning western nations, and their President would be the first to stand up to this. Hopefully, the rest of the western world starts following suit.

some thoughts wrote:

mind bender wrote:

I'll answer... the examples are endless. Propaganda, and its intended consequences are nothing new.

Gotta love his comment about "social justice and equality"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

The Commies/SJWs/degenerates are never going to look in the mirror. After the "mostly peaceful" riots of last summer, I think we can say that the modern day Leftist political movement has transcended into one of the most insidious, vile collection of people ever assembled, ranking up there with the Philistines and Carthaginians as examples of degeneracy influencing cultural expression on a larger scale.

Well said.

Let it Rupp wrote:

Just goes to show how even Obama was a racist neo nazi.

Yep, 8 years as POTUS and race issues were not improved and actually became worse.

He tried but was labeled a boot licker and has since allowed Chicago to become an awful city.

I've seen and read a few of your posts, and I highly doubt you are highly curious about anything I have to say. Your inquiry is merely hoping I'll post something for you to argue. In any case, you shouldn't have to be told what the mainstream media is, but here is a primer for you anyway:

That's more or less what's in my mind on the few occasions that I type or speak the term, and I would suspect that is in the large majority of people's minds when they see the term "mainstream media." You'll note NBC, CNN, CBS, ABC and Fox among news media outlets listed. It's not intended to be comprehensive (for example the New York Times is not mentioned), but you should be able to get the gist of it.

Most of the coverage and commentary of the BLM riots of summer 2020 would be the most recent, glaring example I can think of off the top of my head.

Coverage and commentary of "woke" culture in general over the last 5-6 years - NBC News actually has a section entitled "NBCBLK" which you would probably find great wisdom in when you felt the mood, but I encourage you to actually read it for a two weeks. If you have an objectivity at all, you may come to see that section as full of exaggerated anecdotes, and unsupported and nebulous claims using the usual buzzwords.

The New York Times entire 1619 project - would that have even been written if Hilary Clinton had won the 2016 election?

Many more.

I read largely mainstream media: mostly CNN, FOX, ABC. Also Drudge Report (which is an largely aggregation site of mainstream media), some NPR, some CSPAN, some local news (which I assume is owned by mainstream media). Very little print media anymore.

I'm sure you were hoping I'd post QANON and a few others, but I doubt I've ever even looked for them. Sorry, Mr. sanchobaile.

You're right, I don't empathize with the position that books like Dr. Suess are racist and shouldn't be read. You are being hysterical, and I don't empathize I pity people who take these "woke" positions. They tend to be social outcasts and generally want to exert control over others by moral intimidation - which is exactly what you are doing with your post "either agree with me or you have no empathy." The guise of moral superiority is falling and the true desire for power and validation on the left is being revealed every time one of these insane "cancellations" is made. Keep overplaying your hand lefties, you're just moving more people to the right.

ConfusedManno wrote:

OH...TX wrote:

While this post falls into the category of technically true, I think you missed the target of ridicule.

Can you please expand on your post? I am also trying to figure out the issue. Is he not spotlighting Nazi sympathizers in the US (or at least those who want to look away) who placing profit/convenience ahead of the innocent lives of Nazi victims? I am honestly confused.

Ahem...

(If you can't watch video where you are: where have we been hearing "America First" most vocally in the past 5 years?)

So, tune into your corporate propaganda (that progressives claimed to oppose), and get your daily dose of intolerant hate-filled white-male bashing propaganda (ironically, progressives claim to be tolerant and open-minded, and the socially, intellectual, and moral superiors), and repeat daily. Because, progress!

Ask Gina wrote:

trollism wrote:

The Mr Potato head thing had already been proven as right-wing hysteria.

Why are you people still screaming about it?

Your family must be so proud of you. Days and days and days of screaming and shouting like a child about Mr Potato Head.

Amazing stuff.

This is not alt-right hysteria. We recently had an actress fired for being conservative. Oh, I forgot she made an anti-semantic tweet, accept it wasn't anti-semantic and her co-worker on the left made a far more offensive and factually incorrect holocaust tweet and is just fine.

It's probably all a bit beyond your range of thinking Mr 'Anti-Semantic'.

Perhaps this is why you're so worried about Dr Seuss being 'cancelled'. They're books at the perfect level for someone of your intellect.

Don't panic. You can still get your books, won't have to miss your bedtime stories.

dafuqutalkinabout wrote:

ConfusedManno wrote:

Can you please expand on your post? I am also trying to figure out the issue. Is he not spotlighting Nazi sympathizers in the US (or at least those who want to look away) who placing profit/convenience ahead of the innocent lives of Nazi victims? I am honestly confused.

Ahem...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIaoZqMrbCo

(If you can't watch video where you are: where have we been hearing "America First" most vocally in the past 5 years?)

Exactly. Isn't Seuss stating that America First and Nazi is equivalent? That by claiming American First, you are siding with the Nazi party?

Am I totally misreading this cartoon?

Reposted for emphasis for the pearl-clutchers.

Are we talking about as individuals or as a collective? On an individual basis, sure, be better. Fact is, most won't. Additionally, left wingers have this perverted belief that they can collectivize to usher in Utopia. They ask fail to realize their blind spots such as your obvious animosity towards white people. Racism is bad unless it's hating white people in which case it isn't even racism, it's equity because systemic racism, colonialism, blah blah.

What if everyone of you whiney leftists STFU, got off social media, and actually applied yourself to a self improvement methodology every day on a consistent basis. Good diet, exercise regimine, self study in a specific field, whatever. But no, we need to have obesity acceptance, black supremacy, communism, and all these other cherished top-down leftist visions forced down our throats because you say it is "progress".

There is never going to be an agreement between Liberals, Conservatives, Moderates, etc, and people need to stop expecting that arguing is going to get their point across. Half the country hated Obama, and most of them were Republicans. Half the country hated Trump, and that was mostly Democrats. Parties evolve (re: Abraham Lincoln's Republican Party), and the lack of progress by both sides to be inclusive of ALL Americans and yes, even other nationalities, is going to hold us back. We can be different but still be not hate one another.

I don't have a solution for the fair treating of trans athletes, but that doesn't mean we need to stop trying. If something upset doesn't work, scrap it and learn from it to create something new. I feel bad for the mostly younger girls and women who get handed losses by trans athletes, but I feel equal if not more upset that some 16-year-old kid has to hide who they are to appease the opposers.

These people are far from liberals.

They may call themselves that but they are totalitarians.

Telling everyone what opinion they are allowed to have, censoring and attacking all those who don't buy the establishment line.

We see lots of folks like that here on Letsrun when it comes to Covid, the Israel Lobby, etc.

ConfusedManno wrote:

Can you please expand on your post? I am also trying to figure out the issue. Is he not spotlighting Nazi sympathizers in the US (or at least those who want to look away) who placing profit/convenience ahead of the innocent lives of Nazi victims? I am honestly confused.

The America First movement in the United States was not openly pro-Nazi. They presented their isolationism as being primarily pro-America. They had a lot of prominent businessman and celebrities promoting their message. They had fascistic beliefs, but just like the current America First'ers, they claimed it was all about patriotism.

Hate white people? I don't hate white people. All I said is we've had it pretty easy. This is a perfect example if this situation feels like an assault on your way of life. Brother you don't know assault.

A (not very popular) book written by a dead person is literally showing racist imagery that is offensive to people that do not look like me will no longer be printed. This fact does no harm to me in any way. However, the imagery can be harmful to other people. Knowing this fact, I am willing to say "I don't care that it's not printed anymore."

For some reason you feel that this is harming you in some way? What are you losing that you're fighting for here? I don't understand.

There are a lot of misguided progressives. Frankly, there are a lot of just straight up idiots. But the guy I replied to that derided the mere concept of wanting tomorrow to be better than today's status quo is confusing to me, because today is not a perfect day for a lot of people. And I am losing zero life enrichment if "If I had a Zoo" never gets another reprint (and I even have small kids!).

ConfusedManno wrote:

dafuqutalkinabout wrote:

Ahem...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIaoZqMrbCo

(If you can't watch video where you are: where have we been hearing "America First" most vocally in the past 5 years?)

Exactly. Isn't Seuss stating that America First and Nazi is equivalent? That by claiming American First, you are siding with the Nazi party?

Am I totally misreading this cartoon?

No you've got it. I think OH...TX is just point out that these Trumpers are rising to defend Dr. Seuss when Dr. Seuss would not have defended their views.

OH...TX wrote:

ConfusedManno wrote:

Can you please expand on your post? I am also trying to figure out the issue. Is he not spotlighting Nazi sympathizers in the US (or at least those who want to look away) who placing profit/convenience ahead of the innocent lives of Nazi victims? I am honestly confused.

The America First movement in the United States was not openly pro-Nazi. They presented their isolationism as being primarily pro-America. They had a lot of prominent businessman and celebrities promoting their message. They had fascistic beliefs, but just like the current America First'ers, they claimed it was all about patriotism.

Sigh... I understand that. I am asking why this cartoon is bad? He is literally spotlighting how isolationism benefitted Nazis. He was calling these people out.

What am I missing? It was posted earlier as proof that Seuss was racist. Later someone doubled down that another poster was missing the point. I am also missing the point and just want that clarified.

I am not even a Seuss fan. I scrolled the thread and now I am invested in figuring out why it is bad, LOL.

Dr. Seuss's books are mostly innocuous. The cartoon above is not only anti-Nazi; it also opposes everything Trump stands for, America First, tying that old movement to the Nazis. But it is indubitable that some of Dr. Seuss's early comics and books had racist imagery and perhaps even language. The Mulberry St. book is a fine, fine children's book, which I read to my kids many times and they loved it, but there is in fact a racist Chinese caricature in the book. I read Tintin to my kids, or rather I did that before they could read, and they are for the most part fantastic books that lead kids to learn about different people and things around the world, to excite their imaginations, but they also contain racial caricatures, esp. the early discontinued Tintin in the Congo, a justification of brutal Belgian rule over the Belgian Congo, which Herge later disavowed. Asterix and Obelix books are great, and very funny and my kids read them over and over as well, but they too contain some racist caricatures in their drawings of black Africans. What I do where these things occur is point out that they are inaccurate and offensive. I also point out how all the characters are caricatures in drawing style, with exaggerated features, which is part of drawing comic books. So, there's no reason to revoke or not publish any of these books. You enjoy most of them and teach about what's wrong with their errors and mistakes.

The current paradigm of conservative attempts to change the subject is to imply that the left is against all that is good and holy and that no one is immune to being cancelled, destroyed, fired, ridiculed, death threats against them. Fear, fear, fear!

But that's just to change the subject from Trump's insurrection, the disaster he created of a year-long pandemic here, where responsible management could have wrapped it up as fast as the Chinese did, ten million more people out of work, limited attempts to help, and the fact that the vast majority of Congressional Republicans voted on zero evidence credible in any conservative or liberal court to throw out the votes of tens of millions of people.

dafuqutalkinabout wrote:

No you've got it. I think OH...TX is just point out that these Trumpers are rising to defend Dr. Seuss when Dr. Seuss would not have defended their views.

Ahhh! Got it.

Okay, please ignore my post immediately prior to this one.

Thanks for the explanation. I am clearly a dense one :)