Mahomes is exposed!!!

Now I see why Kansas City's OC has been passed over for a head coaching position.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

He is just a regular QB without the protection.

Can you name a quarterback that is better than 'regular' without protection? I don't think one exists. If the line doesn't give the qb enough time for the receivers to get open, there's not much any qb can do.

Weird take, folks.

Are you kidding, without exceptional protection Brady is garbage. Just ask the Giants, they beat his butt twice, by getting after him.

Going into the game last night, Brady was 27th in the league in QBR rating under pressure, Mahomes was #1, he ran for 34 yards last night with a toe injury, more than Brady ran for all season including the playoffs.

The TB defense was the MVP, they were gonna kill Mahomes eventually, the O line injuries did them in, pretty similar to GB losing Bahktari.

you're saying the same thing I'm saying...so why are you mad at me?

"All qb's are (at best) mediocre without protection."

His most amazing asset is when he doesnt have protection he just makes the exact right move and runs for a 1st, like on the first drive. So it cant be explained by just protection, he usually just steps up or runs making everyone crazy that roots against him. So i do think he was done in by a crazy combo of likely a bad toe, some really weird drops, and lets be honest, he stood back there forever at times, the DBs on TB must have had their best game.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

No protection = no Mahomes. Brady may actually be one of the best students of the sport. I hate to say that, but he played on all of KC's weaknesses quite successfully today.

I got to be honest not sure how the Mahomes exposed narrative can even be argued here. Besides the fact that he was injured his line did nothing all night and he was under constant attack from the Bucs D-line. There is not a QB in history who could have done better. Remember when the undefeated Pats team lost to the Giants in the Superbowl it was the same situation with the giants front 4 manhandling Brady all night.

I think Mahomes still showed why he's so good. As he was tackled and horizontal he sidearmed it 30 yards on the money and it bounced off his receiver's face to end one drive. He's early in his career so the Brady comparison are not fair yet. It's unlikely he'll get to Brady's championship mark because it's unlikely he lasts as long as Brady and he doesn't have the greatest coach ever like Brady did most of his career. But he's been ridiculous so far. Remember Brady was a total passenger his first Superbowl. Mahomes earned that one last year against a very tough Niners D.

weird take folks wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

He is just a regular QB without the protection.

Can you name a quarterback that is better than 'regular' without protection? I don't think one exists. If the line doesn't give the qb enough time for the receivers to get open, there's not much any qb can do.

Weird take, folks.

Umm.... ever hear of Russell Wilson? I felt like I was watching the Seahawks last night.

I don't think Russ woulda won in Mahomes' place, but I think he's learned how to handle a bad O-line and would have been more competitive.

weird take folks wrote:

you're saying the same thing I'm saying...so why are you mad at me?

"All qb's are (at best) mediocre without protection."

Right. KC coaches let Mahomes down by not coming up with a scheme that did not involve him running for his life every play. The loss was not on Mahomes, but rather on the team's inability to deal with the offensive line injuries.

One or the other announcers last night was saying Mahomes would win 8 or more Super Bowls by the time he's done.

Not sure about that. He's just another innovative QB the league has now figured out, and will be irrelevant next season. RG3, anyone?

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

No protection = no Mahomes. Brady may actually be one of the best students of the sport.

So, you're saying Brady would win with no protection?

Swap Mahomes and Brady and the Chiefs win, huh?

moist wrote:

weird take folks wrote:

Can you name a quarterback that is better than 'regular' without protection? I don't think one exists. If the line doesn't give the qb enough time for the receivers to get open, there's not much any qb can do.

Weird take, folks.

Umm.... ever hear of Russell Wilson? I felt like I was watching the Seahawks last night.

I don't think Russ woulda won in Mahomes' place, but I think he's learned how to handle a bad O-line and would have been more competitive.

Absolutely no QB in history, including Wilson, would have been anymore successful than Mahomes was playing for the Chiefs yesterday. The Buccaneers were putting extreme pressure on him without having to blitz and could drop more guys into coverage as a result. Throwing on the run to receivers that are well covered makes it impossible to be successful. The only thing that might have changed the outcome would have been to run the ball early in the game.

It's a shame that the Chiefs didn't consult with the experts here on LR before signing Mahomes to his massive contract.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Absolutely no QB in history, including Wilson, would have been anymore successful than Mahomes was playing for the Chiefs yesterday. The Buccaneers were putting extreme pressure on him without having to blitz and could drop more guys into coverage as a result. Throwing on the run to receivers that are well covered makes it impossible to be successful. The only thing that might have changed the outcome would have been to run the ball early in the game.

Amen, given how their line was pass blocking, they needed to run more, and have a back or tight end help the tackles. Coaches failed to adjust.

BTW: The Chiefs jam and hold on every play, EVERY play.

I know the refs can call a hold every play, but come on. The Chiefs practice this, clearly.

Star wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

No protection = no Mahomes. Brady may actually be one of the best students of the sport.

So, you're saying Brady would win with no protection?

Swap Mahomes and Brady and the Chiefs win, huh?

Brady would have needed to be stretchered off had he been the chiefs QB last night, So much ignorance in one thread. Some of you really have no idea how sports work.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

No protection = no Mahomes. Brady may actually be one of the best students of the sport. I hate to say that, but he played on all of KC's weaknesses quite successfully today.

I got to be honest not sure how the Mahomes exposed narrative can even be argued here. Besides the fact that he was injured his line did nothing all night and he was under constant attack from the Bucs D-line. There is not a QB in history who could have done better.

Well, the Packers were without their all pro left tackle and still managed to put up 26 points. Had several chances to win.

Honestly this game cemented Mahomes's legend even more.

My man threw a ball like this that hit his received in the f'ing face mask:

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/02/08/USAT/b2fdb44d-54ef-4a86-ba65-780bb7d7e6fc-USP_NFL-_Super_Bowl_LV-Kansas_City_Chiefs_vs_Tampa.1.jpg

ironside wrote:

Tom Brady has been allowed in Tampa Bay to be co-general manager and co-head coach. Owner and head coach in Tampa allowed Brady to bring in about 1/2 a dozen of Brady's friends as teammates.

A better number is 2 which is the accurate number. Gronk and AB. The defense is mostly homegrown as is most of the offense. The biggest difference has been the change from Winston to Brady.

DeBron Lames wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

I got to be honest not sure how the Mahomes exposed narrative can even be argued here. Besides the fact that he was injured his line did nothing all night and he was under constant attack from the Bucs D-line. There is not a QB in history who could have done better.

Well, the Packers were without their all pro left tackle and still managed to put up 26 points. Had several chances to win.

Or you look at the regular season game where the Bucs D was all over Rodgers and he scored 10 points and was shut out for 3 quarters.

Pretty much any quarterback under that much pressure for an entire game won't be at their best. It's not a secret.

snipes wrote:

Honestly this game cemented Mahomes's legend even more.

My man threw a ball like this that hit his received in the f'ing face mask:

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/02/08/USAT/b2fdb44d-54ef-4a86-ba65-780bb7d7e6fc-USP_NFL-_Super_Bowl_LV-Kansas_City_Chiefs_vs_Tampa.1.jpg

honestly it looked like he was playing 1 on 11 at times