Brandon Bernard executed

trollism wrote:

Y3eZafVe343ra3 wrote:

I wish it wasnt so expensive and such a long process to have these people executed....

I wish we would bring back the Firing Squad method and dispatch these criminals right when they are convicted and the decision should be that they are executed, none of this waiting bs....

I'm not sure the policy is going to change based on how big a thrill it would give low-education Trump types.

But in reality, the death penalty is only a thing because it's a vote winner with those people. It's not used as a tool of justice or a deterrent, just for something for people like yourself to enjoy.

News flash, d-bag, it's the high-educated folks who are committing the worst crimes.

Keep watching CNN and believing all their lies, d-bag.

Trump = the most honest president since Carter.

the media is corrupt wrote:

Liberals don’t value life. Allowing vicious murderers to live shows how little they care for the innocent victims. Protecting citizens by proclaiming that because life is so precious, that if you take a life, yours will be taken, is not barbaric. It’s justice and it’s a statement that murder will not be tolerated.

The left’s lust for killing preborn babies bears out their true disregard for human life.

Conservatives value the lives of the unborn more than they do the living. That's why they are cheering the killing of a man - to show how much they value life. Makes a lot of sense!

Y3eZafVe343ra3 wrote:

I wish it wasnt so expensive and such a long process to have these people executed....

I wish we would bring back the Firing Squad method and dispatch these criminals right when they are convicted and the decision should be that they are executed, none of this waiting bs....

I agree. And obviously if the conviction is later changed, all the people involved in the conviction (judge, jury, DA,....) should also get the death penalty. After all their actions resulted in a wrongful death. I suppose in this case you could argue the jury should be let off since information was withheld from them and we could just kill all the government officials who withheld pertaint information. At a minimum like a 20 year jail sentence would at least encourage people not to obstruct justice.

As it is the death penalty serves no point other than virtue signaling that you are tough on crime.

Greg wrote:

I think ultimately, you want to live in a world where compassion exists and people are shown love.

So in that regard I can see how people don't like the act of putting one to death.

However, it's not really about taking someones life. It's about due punishment for a crime.

That's why I have to say I have little compassion once someone has crossed the line.

I don't really care much about the person who is put to death. They usually deserve to die.

My concern is more about the people making the decision to end a person's life and the idea that it is a person's legitimate job to methodically put a person to death because he was told to do that.

The executioner was not wronged by the person sentenced. The executioner was not involved in the trial.

They are just told by the government "kill this person", and they do it.

Anyone that has faith in God or humanity may have some compassion for the souls of those doing the legal killing.

somelivesaremoreimportantthanothers wrote:

the media is corrupt wrote:

Liberals don’t value life. Allowing vicious murderers to live shows how little they care for the innocent victims. Protecting citizens by proclaiming that because life is so precious, that if you take a life, yours will be taken, is not barbaric. It’s justice and it’s a statement that murder will not be tolerated.

The left’s lust for killing preborn babies bears out their true disregard for human life.

Conservatives value the lives of the innocent more than they do of the evil murderers. That's why they are cheering the killing of an evil murderer - to show how much they value life. Makes a lot of sense!

FIFY

the media is corrupt wrote:

Liberals don’t value life.

If you take a life, yours will be taken

Liberals don't value life.

Conservatives value life by ending life, but that means they actually value life.

Checks out.

Trump becomes the anti-pardon in his last days in office. Have to churn them out before Biden takes over.

He was a member of a gang. He was told of the plot to kidnap and rob people and specifically gave "the ringleader" his Glock .40 to use for the abduction. Clearly approving of the plot. While he was not involved int he abduction, the three of the four others showed up with the accused couple alive in the trunk. He was told of the plan to kill them and burn the car with them in it to destroy evidence. He specifically went out and purchased the fuel to set the car on fire - note he didn't go to the police or try to save the couple, rather he was on board with them being murdered and burned. He poired lighter fluid in the interior of the car while the Bagleys in the trunk (where they had been for 9 hours) sang and prayed. The Bagleys were car shot in the head and then Bernard lit the car on fire.

I understand that 18 year olds are young and dumb. But how many 18 year olds find themselves a member of a gang, approving of a plot to kidnap and rob people, and then ok with a couple being shot to death and their bodies burned. it appears there is some controversy, but Stacie didn't die from her gunshot wound but rather died from smoke inhalation. I'm sure either way being shot in the head was her last "memory" after a horror filled 9 hours in the trunk of her car.

I am against the death penalty, I just do not believe as a civilized society that killing a person for any reason is justifiable. It lessens us as human beings. That being said, I hate how people turn these pieces of shlt into some kind of hero and go on and on about his good qualities and why it's specifically wrong to kill the individual. No. Bernard is a POS who deserves no sympathy or support. He shouldn't have been put to death because the death penalty is wrong, but that's got nothing to do with him or his circumstances. Fvck him. Killing him demeaned the rest of us, it had nothing to do with who he was. I will never feel bad for him - I feel bad for his victims, and I feel bad for us a society that this happened. We allowed the actions of this guy to make us behave poorly. We should be better than this garbage.

I have no issue with anything you wrote.

People misconstrue advocacy against the death penalty in general as a way of defending horrible actions of bad people.

I don't feel bad for the person who was executed.

I feel bad for the executioner.

Y3eZafVe343ra3 wrote:

I wish it wasnt so expensive and such a long process to have these people executed....

I wish we would bring back the Firing Squad method and dispatch these criminals right when they are convicted and the decision should be that they are executed, none of this waiting bs....

You are not very bright. You would rather have innocent people murdered by the state than let the admittedly flawed wheels of justice turn. You would be a murderer if you were not afraid of getting caught. You have now admitted this.

The death penalty is a thing because some people are worse than animals, and they have forfeited their lives.

One of many problems is that because it takes so long to execute the sentence it isn’t a deterrent. That’s truly frustrating.

America loves criminals. The common folk are addicted to giving criminals get their "just reward," and the prison complex loves to get a guaranteed payday. There is no way to extract this from the fabric of this country.

Executioner wrote:

The death penalty is a thing because some people are worse than animals, and they have forfeited their lives.

One of many problems is that because it takes so long to execute the sentence it isn’t a deterrent. That’s truly frustrating.

You would be a slave owner if you could. You have just admitted it.

macdaddy OG wrote:

the media is corrupt wrote:

Liberals don’t value life.

If you take a life, yours will be taken

Liberals don't value life.

Conservatives value life by ending life, but that means they actually value life.

Checks out.

Only a dishonest person plays semantics because they can’t handle the truth.

the media is corrupt wrote:

macdaddy OG wrote:

Liberals don't value life.

Conservatives value life by ending life, but that means they actually value life.

Checks out.

Only a dishonest person plays semantics because they can’t handle the truth.

Semantics? I thought you “valued life”. I didn’t know there were conditions to that. Seems awfully hypocritical.

What’s “the truth” again?

If you "value life", you should support the death penalty being used against the worst criminals, as it saves lives down the road. I like the eye for an eye philosophy. Will criminals still stab someone to death in a robbery if they know that when captured, they will be stabbed to death as soon as they are sentenced? I think not. Execute rapists and pedos too.

the media is corrupt wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The US remains the only Western democracy that still imposes the death penalty. Not so world-leading there.

Liberals don’t value life. Allowing vicious murderers to live shows how little they care for the innocent victims. Protecting citizens by proclaiming that because life is so precious, that if you take a life, yours will be taken, is not barbaric. It’s justice and it’s a statement that murder will not be tolerated.

The left’s lust for killing preborn babies bears out their true disregard for human life.

So all those other democracies that have discontinued with the death penalty are just "liberals". I guess that's one way of justifying yet another form of "American exceptionalism". You guys aren't very different from the Taliban.

On one hand, it seems like this guy perhaps deserves a second chance if he truly has turned his life around. Then I look at the family of the victim and say no way should he get any leniency. The crime was just so egregious in this instance that no sane person could conclude that he deserves anything less than the harshest punishment allowed by law.

it was his gun wrote:

I understand that 18 year olds are young and dumb.

The argument during the Vietnam War was if someone is old enough to be drafted, fight, and die for his country then he should also have the right to vote. Hence, the 26th Amendment lowered the voting age from 21 to 18 and it was absolutely the correct decision.

If an 18-yo can vote, enlist or be drafted into the military, fight and die for his country, then I consider this person an adult. An adult must be held fully accountable for his actions.

I think 99.9999% of people would agree that a 5-yo cannot be charged with murder if he shoots someone with a loaded gun. He is too young to understand what he is doing. But what about a 10-yo? A 15-yo? An 18-yo? There MUST be a cutoff somewhere. The American government has drawn that line at 18 years old. An 18-yo can vote, an 18-yo can be drafted, and an 18-yo must be held accountable for his criminal actions. Unless the 18-yo has some sort of disability, he knows what he is doing and understands the potential consequences of his actions. He must face those consequences.