Said Aouita claims he broke the Moroccan national 3000m record in his first ever timed run as an 18 year old soccer player.
Here, Canova writes more extensively:
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For example, I well remember one week in 1984, that made me astonished.
Monday : With 6min recovery, 3000m in 7'57" + 2000m in 5'05" + 1000m in 2'19"
Tuesday : 10 km in the circuit around the track in 29'20", then 3 sets of 10 times 60m at almost max speed, recovering 6' between every set
Wednesdy : 4 x 1200m in 3'01" / 3'03", alternating 150m fast (between 18"5 and 19") and 50m relaxed in about 21" (try for understanding how hard this workout is), recovery 6' between each test
Thursday : 4 x 400m (recovery 8') between 48"8 and 49"6.
On Friday he travelled by car to Torino, where we had an international match against two other Countries (he was allowed to compete out of competition), and he won on Sat 800m in 1'46"1, on Sun 1500m in 3'37", nd I well remember the newspapers writing "Aouita seemed very mechanical in his action and is clearly out of shape".
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jamin wrote:
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https://youtu.be/fb2tJbjgL0s?t=74
Is that a recently made video, or just posted recently? Because if it was filmed this year, Canova is looking good for 75 years of age.
By the way he raced, S.A. seems like he was a man capable of (47.75 to 48) F.A.T. 400m.
Any man who can run under 1;44 needs at least 47 speed or better.
Quite a lot of people can do a few seconds off their best 400 with big recoveries, especially endurance athletes.
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
Quite a lot of people can do a few seconds off their best 400 with big recoveries, especially endurance athletes.
True. ^^
My 400 m PR is 55s and I did 3x400 a couple of times for 57-58s, occasionally a 56. It was the same for my team mates (we raced 3000 - half marathon).
Not surprising at all that Aouïta could do that session. I mean, still impressive but not otherworldly.
On that workout with 1200s alternating fast 150s with slow 50s, I think the 50 section should be 12 or 13 seconds instead of 21 seconds. Otherwise you can't get the 3:01 to 3:03 time for the 1200s. That's how Renato wrote it elsewhere. He said Juantorena did a very similar workout.
Coevett wrote:
Said Aouita claims he broke the Moroccan national 3000m record in his first ever timed run as an 18 year old soccer player.
When has he claimed this?
30 x 60m at near max sprint - yeah give me a break, I don't buy any of this horsesh!t
Worth keeping in mind that Aouita was fired as national coach of Australia for trying to convince his athletes to use drugs.
http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/trackandfield/id/2336602
In that case, I'll have what he's having. No seriously, I think anyone would have been seriously injured after that workout (like muscle tearing from the bone injured) much less able to race a double in the same week. Either he's lying about how many reps he did or about how fast he did them in, and if he was doing 60m reps slow then it's a stupid workout.
Here is the post where Renato describes Juantorena doing a similar workout:
I want to remember a type of work of Juantorena, that really never ran many km :
3 times 1200m with 6x150 in 18.5 recovery 50m in 13.0, with final time of 3:09 about (6 min recovery).
This one was a typical example of Anaerobic Work, that was good for increasing Aerobic Capacity, and not speed.
After this type of work, Juantorena was able to improve also in 400m, without never using speed so high like in the past (when he was only a 400m runner).
Ho Hum wrote:
Worth keeping in mind that Aouita was fired as national coach of Australia for trying to convince his athletes to use drugs.
http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/trackandfield/id/2336602
Proof?
Oh, some people said so.
I watched a friend, who was a 1:46 800 runner in college after 1:48 in high school, nonchalantly drop a 49-sec 400 before practice, because we all wanted to see what it looked like. He was so smooth, efficient, and effortless. He could’ve easily done 3 more w 8 min rest between. So, yeah, Aouita’s workout is believable.
60 60m nearly all out is not a believable workout.
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
60 60m nearly all out is not a believable workout.
Well, as listed, it would “only” be 30 60m all out efforts, no? Still not terribly credible.
But, I was only talking about the 4x400s per the thread subject line. Very believable.
Man among boys wrote:
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
60 60m nearly all out is not a believable workout.
Well, as listed, it would “only” be 30 60m all out efforts, no? Still not terribly credible.
But, I was only talking about the 4x400s per the thread subject line. Very believable.
On its own sure it is a hard workout but in the realm of possible. But doing it after 3 really hard days? Nah I don't think so. That 1200m workout is absurdly hard.
another lie? wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Said Aouita claims he broke the Moroccan national 3000m record in his first ever timed run as an 18 year old soccer player.
When has he claimed this?
The claim was made that he ran something like 8:12 in soccer shoes as a young teem.
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
another lie? wrote:
When has he claimed this?
The claim was made that he ran something like 8:12 in soccer shoes as a young teem.
He claims in 1977 when he would presumably have been 17 (birthday is in November). The article is a pdf, so I'll quote the passage of the interview (IAAF 2003) :
When and how did you become
involved in Athletics?
In 1977 I completed in a 3000 metres time
trial as part of my soccer training. I ran 8:01
which at that time was faster than the
national record. I was encouraged by a
French Professor at the Institute of Sport
(Gerard Goriot), to take up athletics more
seriously and he
Can any of you who have set foot on a track tell me what the equivalent 5K time of an 8:01 is? Because it does seem odd that he can do that as a 17 year old in first ever 'run', and then he spends the next 4 years at the elite Institute of Sport in France, and remains a steady 14:30 5000m man, then at the age of 22 moves to Italy and can suddenly perform workouts as described by Canova and becomes almost an unbeatable force of nature overnight.
https://www.worldathletics.org/download/downloadnsa?filename=945e64d5-9a94-4869-8969-457dab528e59.pdf&urlslug=where-are-they-now-said-aouita