COVID about to get ugly

Dwightarm wrote:

DanM wrote:

The original pre-COVID projection was for over 2.5 Million Americans to die from Jan. 1, 2020 to today (316 days).

How many have actually died ?

The original projection was for a society that existed pre-COVID, with no changes.

We’ve implemented various stages of social distancing, masks, and understand the virus far more now than during its first wave. We’ve made a lot of changes since then. If we hadn’t, yeah... we would have well over a million deaths by now I’m guessing.

The original projections were also based on mortality rates that turned out to be significantly overstated

xvhnjvn v wrote:

Flymash wrote:

In my experience, you are wrong about whatever you were trying to say about the medical profession. I can't think of a more incompetent business/market space than health care provision. Maybe cable providers?

Anyway, the point was, wtf have they been doing for 7 months if not ramping up for this exact stage of the pandemic?

You df, do you realize this takes top down leadership and a plan???? Every hospital has been doing EVERYTHING they can to outrun the boulder rolling downhill at them. When national leadership does nothing and half the nation believes it to be a "democratic hoax", the effort can only go so far. JFC.

No, they clearly have not been doing "EVERYTHING" they can, if they are already claiming deficiencies and hardships a few weeks into a surge. You can't blame their failures on Trump or what you think "half the nation" believes. The hospitals themselves aren't even blaming your alleged culprits. If, starting in May, there are hospitals that failed to start increasing inventory, hiring more staff, and creating more necessary space for what was CLEARLY coming, then that is the medical profession conducting operations as we are all unfortunately well accustomed to.

The Unkle wrote:

1101 wrote:

Lots of folks who do not die suffer through a really nasty time for several weeks. Many of them have long term consequences including shortness of breath (inability to run) and even brain damage. Seems like these are worth avoiding at the cost of a few pokes of a needle (unless you have a needle phobia or something).

The damage done to people by vaccinations is quite serious.

Big Pharma is protected and cannot be sued even if their vaccination kills you.

But go ahead. Slam that shiite right into your body.

Just don't attack those who are wary of doing so.

You're RIGHT!

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

Flymash wrote:

xvhnjvn v wrote:

You df, do you realize this takes top down leadership and a plan???? Every hospital has been doing EVERYTHING they can to outrun the boulder rolling downhill at them. When national leadership does nothing and half the nation believes it to be a "democratic hoax", the effort can only go so far. JFC.

No, they clearly have not been doing "EVERYTHING" they can, if they are already claiming deficiencies and hardships a few weeks into a surge. You can't blame their failures on Trump or what you think "half the nation" believes. The hospitals themselves aren't even blaming your alleged culprits. If, starting in May, there are hospitals that failed to start increasing inventory, hiring more staff, and creating more necessary space for what was CLEARLY coming, then that is the medical profession conducting operations as we are all unfortunately well accustomed to.

You may or may not realize but you're making a fantastic case for socialized healthcare.

This will likely be the final wave. My bet is that it will be really bad, likely the worst of all. People are done being careful. They're just done. Everyone's getting together for Thanksgiving and Christmas. People are letting their guard down. By this point it's distributed at far higher levels countrywide. It'll be the worst wave.

But we'll be fine. It'll blow over sometime in January when immunity increases and vaccines are distributed.

We'll probably average 2000 to 3000 deaths a day through the end of the year. Not the end of the world, but another 100K people.

appleswan wrote:

Flymash wrote:

No, they clearly have not been doing "EVERYTHING" they can, if they are already claiming deficiencies and hardships a few weeks into a surge. You can't blame their failures on Trump or what you think "half the nation" believes. The hospitals themselves aren't even blaming your alleged culprits. If, starting in May, there are hospitals that failed to start increasing inventory, hiring more staff, and creating more necessary space for what was CLEARLY coming, then that is the medical profession conducting operations as we are all unfortunately well accustomed to.

You may or may not realize but you're making a fantastic case for socialized healthcare.

Yep - absolutely correct

Being outside diminishes risk but doesn't make it go away. In a crowded area or when you can't avoid long-term contact with others, wear a mask, even outside.

Where the hell are you going that's outdoors and you can't avoid long-term close contact with strangers?

Tribe wrote:

appleswan wrote:

You may or may not realize but you're making a fantastic case for socialized healthcare.

Yep - absolutely correct

Sounds like the two of you have an internal conflict there - you want socialized medicine, but don't agree with my premise. But if my premise is wrong (i.e., the medical profession is relatively competent and functional as it is), then the argument for socialized healthcare becomes very weak.

Flymash wrote:

xvhnjvn v wrote:

You df, do you realize this takes top down leadership and a plan???? Every hospital has been doing EVERYTHING they can to outrun the boulder rolling downhill at them. When national leadership does nothing and half the nation believes it to be a "democratic hoax", the effort can only go so far. JFC.

No, they clearly have not been doing "EVERYTHING" they can, if they are already claiming deficiencies and hardships a few weeks into a surge. You can't blame their failures on Trump or what you think "half the nation" believes. The hospitals themselves aren't even blaming your alleged culprits. If, starting in May, there are hospitals that failed to start increasing inventory, hiring more staff, and creating more necessary space for what was CLEARLY coming, then that is the medical profession conducting operations as we are all unfortunately well accustomed to.

My local hospital layed off a good portion of its staff over the summer due to lost revenues. Said at the time I hope they are s me to handle a second wave or any wave.

Allen53 wrote:

Anyone who thinks, 9 months later, that what is happening has anything at all to do with a virus is ignorant beyond redemption.

https://twitter.com/LauraLoquacious/status/1326200576087109634/photo/1

VERY convincing argument you present there!

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

real info wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

Alan comes across as a reasonable common sense guy but follows it up with the wear a mask everywhere in the world crap. Weird.

Alan has been contributing valuable, experience-based posts to LRC for most of two decades. He's putting his knowledge of exercise physiology in the service of the country.

In comparison, the Covid denialists have been wrong about everything from day 1. They have consistently downplayed the severity of the virus and tried to undermine support for even basic public health measures. while people have died by the hundreds of thousands.

Being outside diminishes risk but doesn't make it go away. In a crowded area or when you can't avoid long-term contact with others, wear a mask, even outside.

Are you his PR person? Wearing a mask if you are in a large crowd? Ok fine. Blanket statements like mandatory mask when outside regardless? Piss off with that. But yeah suggest fines when people are already struggling and are on unemployment.

Putting his knowledge of exercise for the good of the country? Lol. Just because he tags his post with his name. Seems like something a narcissist would dye.

Flymash wrote:

Tribe wrote:

Yep - absolutely correct

Sounds like the two of you have an internal conflict there - you want socialized medicine, but don't agree with my premise. But if my premise is wrong (i.e., the medical profession is relatively competent and functional as it is), then the argument for socialized healthcare becomes very weak.

If your premise is aimed at the organizational structure then I agree. Private sector lacks the ability to make strategic decisions which are usually carried out by local government.

But the people providing care are usually doing the best they can.

Flymash wrote:

If, starting in May, there are hospitals that failed to start increasing inventory, hiring more staff, and creating more necessary space for what was CLEARLY coming, then that is the medical profession conducting operations as we are all unfortunately well accustomed to.

I think their fundamental failure was in not generating out of thin air the funds that would have enabled them to do those things.

Shame, shame.

Runner10287 wrote:

1101 wrote:

Lots of folks who do not die suffer through a really nasty time for several weeks. Many of them have long term consequences including shortness of breath (inability to run) and even brain damage. Seems like these are worth avoiding at the cost of a few pokes of a needle (unless you have a needle phobia or something).

So I said the vulnerable who need it can get it. My asymptomatic? Hard pass.

And nope never received a flu shot ever. Did get a rabies shot recently though. Dog bite and all.

Good call on the rabies shot.

(even though, "the damage done to people by vaccinations is quite serious")

q5u4 wrote:

Flymash wrote:

If, starting in May, there are hospitals that failed to start increasing inventory, hiring more staff, and creating more necessary space for what was CLEARLY coming, then that is the medical profession conducting operations as we are all unfortunately well accustomed to.

I think their fundamental failure was in not generating out of thin air the funds that would have enabled them to do those things.

Shame, shame.

That's a pretty stupid, uninformed take on the situation. The billion $$$ medical profession is claiming poverty on this? Where did you get that? I think you posted the first thought that came into head that would be exonerating.

You're wrong, COVID is not about to get ugly.

It's about to get uglier. It's always been ugly.

What is about to get ugly is this thread, when all the people who want to pretend that COVID isn't real show up and complain that science is a political hoax.

Science is real, guys. Listen to the doctors and scientists, ignore the politicians, and stay safe :)

appleswan wrote:

Flymash wrote:

Sounds like the two of you have an internal conflict there - you want socialized medicine, but don't agree with my premise. But if my premise is wrong (i.e., the medical profession is relatively competent and functional as it is), then the argument for socialized healthcare becomes very weak.

If your premise is aimed at the organizational structure then I agree. Private sector lacks the ability to make strategic decisions which are usually carried out by local government.

But the people providing care are usually doing the best they can.

Oh, yeah, of course, that goes without saying - every is doing the best they can - cops, dentists, DEA agents, car salesmen, market analysts, funeral directors, security guards, real estate agents, Pharma CEOs, lawyers, politicians, TV news anchors, mechanics, telemarketers, Wal-mart, porn stars - they're just all victims of a corrupt and inefficient private sector system incapable of making strategic decisions.