Covid-19 can make an elite fall to AVERAGE

Washed-Up Former D1 Guy wrote:

Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.

Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.

Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

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Yeah, and life causes death.

Pajac wrote:

Yeah, and life causes death.

OK then. See you at the bars!

Washed-Up Former D1 Guy wrote:

Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.

Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.

Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

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I ask for proof and you write a bunch of text. Good job. I believe you now /s

Seriously, go get some actual data that proves what you're saying. Do you realize eating too much pizza will raise your blood pressure for 4 hours?

EVERYTHING in life impacts our bodies, and our health. Just don't go diving off the deep end with the fear though, okay? Stop perpetuating what has not been proven on any scale of significance.

Full disclosure:

I believe COVID-19 exists.

I am not an antivaxxer

I wear a mask as required

I follow social distance measures

I also read the data and don't succumb at the first opportunity when the media says otherwise

You should try harder at life and maybe people would appreciate your perspective, or at least listen to you with an open mind.

Great post.

FYI, the study that showed the abnormal cardiac MRI findings and lab findings that was all over the news has since been heavily criticized after several academic cardiologists pointed out errors in their methodology and statistics. After the corrections, history of COVID infection was not associated with increased troponin or abnormal MRI findings versus risk-factor matched controls.

77 vs 70 VO2 max wrote:

Washed Up Former D1 Guy wrote:

"You could have a very high-level athlete who’s got a very superior VO2 max and cardiac output who gets infected with COVID and can drop his or her VO2 max and cardiac output just by 10 percent, and that could make them go from elite status to average status,”

Dropping VO2 max by 10% would not turn an elite athlete to "average status", unless you define "average" as "average among D1 athletes".

If Farah's VO2 max were dropped by 10%, he'd still be able to easily beat the vast majority of runners.

Yeah but then he'd be out of a job. That's the whole point. If Farah were to lose 10% and not be able to regain it he would retire. The condition that Covid has caused those athletes has never before shown signs of major improvement and in normal times it's incredibly rare. The fact that such a big percentage of these athletes had the enlargement and scarring even with no other symptoms is extremely troubling. This country is done. The amount of white males both young and old that have a high level of education and still silently hang on Trump's every word has made that clear. If you want to roll the dice 70/30ish odds are not terrible but I would pass.

70/30 odds? So now we're just making up the numbers up as we go?

Where did 70/30 odds come from?

Some_Local wrote:

70/30 odds? So now we're just making up the numbers up as we go?

Where did 70/30 odds come from?

For someone so obsessed with people providing data or citations to substantiate claims, I would expect you to occasionally do so as well.

The reason I don't want to "argue data" with you, aside from the above, is because I disagree with your approach in the first place. You stated that hospitalizations and X-rays are necessary to know about lung scarring. That may be true for one individual. But for a mass population, you need to sample and test randomly - test for covid antibodies, then check for scarring. Some of these people with lung scarring weren't hospitalized because they had mild symptoms. So you can't just look at hospital data to get this information.

By the way, I got my information from the Mayo Clinic.

Anyhow, I'm glad you're wearing a mask.

Some_Local wrote:

Where did 70/30 odds come from?

I didn't post the 70/30 thing but I'm assuming he/she was referring the the 30% chance you will have asymptomatic COVID19. (However, even with mild symptoms, you can still have lung scarring.)

"Around 30% of patients who tested positive for the new coronavirus were asymptomatic, but they still carried just as much of the virus as symptomatic patients—and for nearly as long—according to a new study that experts say provides the first scientific evidence of asymptomatic transmission of the pathogen."

Washed Up Former D1 Guy wrote:

I saw this in Pennsylvania's Centre Daily Times today: "You could have a very high-level athlete who’s got a very superior VO2 max and cardiac output who gets infected with COVID and can drop his or her VO2 max and cardiac output just by 10 percent, and that could make them go from elite status to average status,” Wayne Sebastianelli, Penn State’s director of athletic medicine, said.

Yep, now it's official. Letsrun will be responsible for a lot of high level athletes ending up with COVID and average status.

Letsrun failed to warn runners about this in April.

Now we will have a generation of average status runners.

Yeah...well...the flu can do the same thing, because it happened to me. Took almost a year to get back to where I felt like I was normal again. Not saying I'm elite, just the fact that my lungs were beyond messed up. Couldn't run more than a couple miles without having fatigue for 5-6 months after. Slowly cleared up after that.

Washed Up Former D1 Guy wrote:

I saw this in Pennsylvania's Centre Daily Times today: "You could have a very high-level athlete who’s got a very superior VO2 max and cardiac output who gets infected with COVID and can drop his or her VO2 max and cardiac output just by 10 percent, and that could make them go from elite status to average status,” Wayne Sebastianelli, Penn State’s director of athletic medicine, said.

I'm scared about this. Really scared. Need some people to tell me how we eradicate this thing so I never catch it.

Orinoco Flame wrote:

Some_Local wrote:

Where did 70/30 odds come from?

I didn't post the 70/30 thing but I'm assuming he/she was referring the the 30% chance you will have asymptomatic COVID19. (However, even with mild symptoms, you can still have lung scarring.)

"Around 30% of patients who tested positive for the new coronavirus were asymptomatic, but they still carried just as much of the virus as symptomatic patients—and for nearly as long—according to a new study that experts say provides the first scientific evidence of asymptomatic transmission of the pathogen."

I can appreciate your attempt to translate what ShilohDoesntCare is saying. However, it still makes no sense.

The study you're talking about here was measuring 'viral load'. Not scarring. While scarring may occur, we have no data that supports this happening at any level of significance.

Secondly, how do you think lung scarring would be detected in the first place? Youd either have to be "hostpitalized" or treated for COVID-19. We know, again from the data, that the vast majority of people never get hospitalized for COVID-19. Also, the younger you are, the less likely you're to be hospitalized, let alone have any kind of significant battle on your hands.

This is phobia level fear from ShilohDoesntCare

Here's your original statement:

It causes long-term lung scarring and/ or breathing issues. Not short term. I'm surprised that on a nerdy running message board where people geek out about the tiniest details of how to improve, you wouldn't at least take a cursory look at the risks.

You called out people on this board for not looking at the risk, yet your statement is written in a manner that is to say that everyone will get scarring. That's not been proven at all.

We haven't seen anything that would lead us to believe there is even a high likelihood it will happen. All we know right now is that some people may get scarring. If you found out tomorrow, the chances of having this happen to you were 1 in 100 million, would you even care?

As for numbers, I haven't said anything that isn't already widely known. Do you really need me to share the data on hospitalizations and death around COVID-19? Any state website will show you who is at high risk. Feel free to go to another country and look at their data as well. You've chosen to use MayoClinic which unfortunately is merely an aggregate. If you want to know who this disease impacts, who is being hospitalized in great numbers, who had some kind of pre-existing condition, you need to pull state data.

Fake News. One scientist has made this claim out of millions. No peer reviews or evidence.

Available data as of June showed that about 40 percent of people with COVID-19 develop ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome / fibrosis), and of those, 20 percent are severe. It's up to everyone to make their own choices, but I personally don't like those odds.

Here is an actual study:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30370-2/fulltext

Since Some_Local loves hospitalization information so much:

"In the six-week scans we're seeing, so far I would say between 20% and 30% of patients who have been in hospital appear to show some early signs of lung scarring," says Dr Hare, who helped draw up NHS radiology protocols to diagnose Covid-19."

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53065340

There's dozens of injuries and illnesses more likely to ruin your season than Covid. The fear of wasted red shirt is even more hilarious considered everyone will have too much eligibility after 4+ cancelled seasons.

Orinoco Flame wrote:

Since Some_Local loves hospitalization information so much:

"In the six-week scans we're seeing, so far I would say between 20% and 30% of patients who have been in hospital appear to show some early signs of lung scarring," says Dr Hare, who helped draw up NHS radiology protocols to diagnose Covid-19."

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53065340

What percentage of positives don't even get tested/detected?

Of all the positives, what tiny percentage ends up in hospital?

And still, "could".