Dear "I've noticed":
The US stands tied with Brazil in 8th place for MOST deaths per million population out of 147 countries with at least 1,500 cases.
Sorry, but ranking worse than 138 countries and better than 7 countries does not indicate success.
Yours most sincerely,
Obvi
Obvi wrote:
Dear "I've noticed":
The US stands tied with Brazil in 8th place for MOST deaths per million population out of 147 countries with at least 1,500 cases.
Sorry, but ranking worse than 138 countries and better than 7 countries does not indicate success.
Yours most sincerely,
Obvi
What happens when you take the NY/NJ experiment out of the equation? It is a statistical outlier, by far.
I've noticed... wrote:
Obvi wrote:
Dear "I've noticed":
The US stands tied with Brazil in 8th place for MOST deaths per million population out of 147 countries with at least 1,500 cases.
Sorry, but ranking worse than 138 countries and better than 7 countries does not indicate success.
Yours most sincerely,
Obvi
What happens when you take the NY/NJ experiment out of the equation? It is a statistical outlier, by far.
Indeed!
I can do even better. What happens when you take all the dead people out of the equation? In that case, we have ZERO deaths per million!
Hey, this is fun! Let's try what happens when you take the worst hit areas of ALL countries out of the equation? Hey, this thing isn't so bad anywhere!
This is great, I've noticed! Have any other gems?
I've noticed... wrote:
Obvi wrote:
Dear "I've noticed":
The US stands tied with Brazil in 8th place for MOST deaths per million population out of 147 countries with at least 1,500 cases.
Sorry, but ranking worse than 138 countries and better than 7 countries does not indicate success.
Yours most sincerely,
Obvi
What happens when you take the NY/NJ experiment out of the equation? It is a 8 statistical outlier, by far.
Ok, so let's take out the entire Northeast and compare some of the southern states to other countries. Here are the death rates:
Louisiana - 1,055 deaths/million
Mississippi - 811 deaths/million
Arizona - 684 deaths/million
South Carolina - 515 deaths/million
Florida - 510 deaths/million
Georgia - 508 deaths/million
If these states were countries, excluding tiny countries like San Marino, Louisiana would be #1 in the world, Mississippi #3, Arizona #4, S Carolina #10, Florida #11 and Georgia #12. Louisiana, Mississippi and Arizona all have higher death rates than Spain, UK, and Italy - the hardest hit countries in Europe.
What's more, the daily death counts in those states currently are higher than the European countries ahead of them. Yet each of these states had an 2-3 extra months to prepare that the NY and NJ did not have.
old news old views wrote:
old news wrote:
And do they also want the lives of the other 99.9 to be shutdown just so they can see their grandkids grow up???
COVID has done a great job of highlighting the selfishness and the inherent instability within the USA. "It's all about me and screw how my actions might impact others". Nice.
So selfishness is not wanting economic collapse and poverty from an economic shutdown and ensuing inflation caused by the government printing money?
Also, wouldn't selfishness be wanting the entire country locked down just so you can feel safe from a virus with a 0.02 death rate?
LA has 58% of the death rate as NJ. The order is: NJ, NY, MA, CN, LA, RI, DC.
Pretty sad troll, as per usual with Riot-Wingers on this site.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
dolan bray wrote:
I've noticed... wrote:
What happens when you take the NY/NJ experiment out of the equation? It is a 8 statistical outlier, by far.
Ok, so let's take out the entire Northeast and compare some of the southern states to other countries. Here are the death rates:
Louisiana - 1,055 deaths/million
Mississippi - 811 deaths/million
Arizona - 684 deaths/million
South Carolina - 515 deaths/million
Florida - 510 deaths/million
Georgia - 508 deaths/million
If these states were countries, excluding tiny countries like San Marino, Louisiana would be #1 in the world, Mississippi #3, Arizona #4, S Carolina #10, Florida #11 and Georgia #12. Louisiana, Mississippi and Arizona all have higher death rates than Spain, UK, and Italy - the hardest hit countries in Europe.
What's more, the daily death counts in those states currently are higher than the European countries ahead of them. Yet each of these states had an 2-3 extra months to prepare that the NY and NJ did not have.
LA has 58% of the death rate as NJ. The order is: NJ, NY, MA, CN, LA, RI, DC.
Pretty sad troll, as per usual with Riot-Wingers on this site.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/YMMV wrote:
dolan bray wrote:
Ok, so let's take out the entire Northeast and compare some of the southern states to other countries. Here are the death rates:
Louisiana - 1,055 deaths/million
Mississippi - 811 deaths/million
Arizona - 684 deaths/million
South Carolina - 515 deaths/million
Florida - 510 deaths/million
Georgia - 508 deaths/million
If these states were countries, excluding tiny countries like San Marino, Louisiana would be #1 in the world, Mississippi #3, Arizona #4, S Carolina #10, Florida #11 and Georgia #12. Louisiana, Mississippi and Arizona all have higher death rates than Spain, UK, and Italy - the hardest hit countries in Europe.
What's more, the daily death counts in those states currently are higher than the European countries ahead of them. Yet each of these states had an 2-3 extra months to prepare that the NY and NJ did not have.
LA has 58% of the death rate as NJ. The order is: NJ, NY, MA, CN, LA, RI, DC.
Pretty sad troll, as per usual with Riot-Wingers on this site.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
I never stated or implied that the NE wasn't much higher. I was responding to "I've noticed" question about taking NY/NJ out of the equation.
Addressing the OP, in terms of overall health and fitness, I am in the 00.001%. Easily.
dis wrote:
old news old views wrote:
COVID has done a great job of highlighting the selfishness and the inherent instability within the USA. "It's all about me and screw how my actions might impact others". Nice.
So selfishness is not wanting economic collapse and poverty from an economic shutdown and ensuing inflation caused by the government printing money?
Also, wouldn't selfishness be wanting the entire country locked down just so you can feel safe from a virus with a 0.02 death rate?
You probably meant 0.02% death rate. But I know, math is hard, right?
If you really did mean a death rate (actually, the more appropriate term would be fatality rate - but, I know, English is hard too, right?), then a 0.02 (= 2.0%) fatality rate is horrendous. That could lead to millions of deaths in the US if left unchecked.
But, no, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you really did mean a 0.02% fatality rate. Well, let's check that number. If we have a 0.02% fatality rate that means we have 5,000 actual cases for each death (I know, math and all . . .). But we already have 185,329 US deaths at the time of this post. That means that we must have 185,329 x 5,000 = 927 Million actual cases in the US so far! That's a pretty neat trick in a total population of 330 Million, wouldn't you say?
Got any other gems?
dolan bray wrote:
YMMV wrote:
LA has 58% of the death rate as NJ. The order is: NJ, NY, MA, CN, LA, RI, DC.
Pretty sad troll, as per usual with Riot-Wingers on this site.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/I never stated or implied that the NE wasn't much higher. I was responding to "I've noticed" question about taking NY/NJ out of the equation.
Let's see if I've got this right.
You disagreed with absolutely nothing that dolan bray posted (at least you certainly posted absolutely ZIP that contradicts dolan bray's post) . With this, you concluded he was a "troll" and a "riot-winger"?
Did I get that right?
dolan bray wrote:
I've noticed... wrote:
What happens when you take the NY/NJ experiment out of the equation? It is a 8 statistical outlier, by far.
Ok, so let's take out the entire Northeast and compare some of the southern states to other countries. Here are the death rates:
Louisiana - 1,055 deaths/million
Mississippi - 811 deaths/million
Arizona - 684 deaths/million
South Carolina - 515 deaths/million
Florida - 510 deaths/million
Georgia - 508 deaths/million
If these states were countries, excluding tiny countries like San Marino, Louisiana would be #1 in the world, Mississippi #3, Arizona #4, S Carolina #10, Florida #11 and Georgia #12. Louisiana, Mississippi and Arizona all have higher death rates than Spain, UK, and Italy - the hardest hit countries in Europe.
What's more, the daily death counts in those states currently are higher than the European countries ahead of them. Yet each of these states had an 2-3 extra months to prepare that the NY and NJ did not have.
You must have missed the part of statistics class where you talked about statistical weight. Despite only accounting for ~9% of the population, NY/NJ overrepresent the covid deaths at about 28% of the covid deaths in the US, so just these two states vastly move the mean and skew the data. I also don't get why you're comparing states with entire countries with vastly different population sizes. This virus, like pretty much all infectious diseases, spread within densely populated areas, so areas with smaller populations, and densely packed areas are going to see a higher % of cases just due to the fact that densely packed areas are going to have more weight in a small state as compared to a country as vast as Italy. It's not a fair comparison.
Allen69 does not respond to counter arguments. Just let him talk and enjoy.
Precious Roy wrote:
Allen53 wrote:
So we'll shut down the country for your parents. We'll wreck the economy upon which future generations (those grand kids) depend for your parents. We'll increase (massively right this minute) rates of suicides, murders, depressions, domestic abuse and on and on...for your parents.
And you're good with all of that? And you don't see how that interconnects to the world your kids will grow up in? Something very wrong with that.
The best economy in the world right now is China. They had the most draconian lockdown of any country in the world. When it was over, the virus was completely contained and new outbreaks have been quickly detected and contained.
And there is no evidence that lockdowns and social distancing measures have caused a massive surge in crime. Homicides are up in some big cities, but most other crime statistics are generally flat. And the spike in homicides do not correlate well with lockdowns. There is some evidence that they may have been due to the George Floyd protests, a massive gun buying surge and a slow down of policing. But the increase in homicides isn't really that big of a deal as it is an increase over a historically very low homicide rate. We are no where even close to the homicide rates of the 1990s.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/28/cfos-now-have-a-more-positive-economic-outlook-for-china-than-the-us.htmlhttp://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-08/26/c_139317892.htmhttps://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/trump-rnc-murders-crime-shootings-protests-riots
dis wrote:
dolan bray wrote:
Ok, so let's take out the entire Northeast and compare some of the southern states to other countries. Here are the death rates:
Louisiana - 1,055 deaths/million
Mississippi - 811 deaths/million
Arizona - 684 deaths/million
South Carolina - 515 deaths/million
Florida - 510 deaths/million
Georgia - 508 deaths/million
If these states were countries, excluding tiny countries like San Marino, Louisiana would be #1 in the world, Mississippi #3, Arizona #4, S Carolina #10, Florida #11 and Georgia #12. Louisiana, Mississippi and Arizona all have higher death rates than Spain, UK, and Italy - the hardest hit countries in Europe.
What's more, the daily death counts in those states currently are higher than the European countries ahead of them. Yet each of these states had an 2-3 extra months to prepare that the NY and NJ did not have.
You must have missed the part of statistics class where you talked about statistical weight. Despite only accounting for ~9% of the population, NY/NJ overrepresent the covid deaths at about 28% of the covid deaths in the US, so just these two states vastly move the mean and skew the data. I also don't get why you're comparing states with entire countries with vastly different population sizes. This virus, like pretty much all infectious diseases, spread within densely populated areas, so areas with smaller populations, and densely packed areas are going to see a higher % of cases just due to the fact that densely packed areas are going to have more weight in a small state as compared to a country as vast as Italy. It's not a fair comparison.
Did you have some kind of point in there?
Obvi wrote:
dis wrote:
You must have missed the part of statistics class where you talked about statistical weight. Despite only accounting for ~9% of the population, NY/NJ overrepresent the covid deaths at about 28% of the covid deaths in the US, so just these two states vastly move the mean and skew the data. I also don't get why you're comparing states with entire countries with vastly different population sizes. This virus, like pretty much all infectious diseases, spread within densely populated areas, so areas with smaller populations, and densely packed areas are going to see a higher % of cases just due to the fact that densely packed areas are going to have more weight in a small state as compared to a country as vast as Italy. It's not a fair comparison.
Did you have some kind of point in there?
It is not surprising that NYC with 28,000 people per square mile would have a higher infection rate than an area with 10,000 people per square mile especially when the the virus hit them a month earlier. 140,000 non New Yorkers died. If these states would have shut down properly for 6 weeks this would all be over.
coach wrote:
Obvi wrote:
Did you have some kind of point in there?
It is not surprising that NYC with 28,000 people per square mile would have a higher infection rate than an area with 10,000 people per square mile especially when the the virus hit them a month earlier. 140,000 non New Yorkers died. If these states would have shut down properly for 6 weeks this would all be over.
Oh, OK. Thanks for the translation.
I agree with that.
Obvi wrote:
dolan bray wrote:
I never stated or implied that the NE wasn't much higher. I was responding to "I've noticed" question about taking NY/NJ out of the equation.
Let's see if I've got this right.
You disagreed with absolutely nothing that dolan bray posted (at least you certainly posted absolutely ZIP that contradicts dolan bray's post) . With this, you concluded he was a "troll" and a "riot-winger"?
Did I get that right?
A sh!tpile of "what ifs" doesn't add up to any kind of useful reality. What I posted was and is the reality.
As for anyone proposing the supposedly insurmountable effects of high population density: with a population nearly that of NYC, higher population density and an earlier infection history, Hong Kong has a total of 84 deaths. Not a typo, that is 84, not 84K. Without a Cuomo or de Blasio involved, and an intrinsically healthier population (highest meat consumption and longevity in the world), this scamdemic is no worse than a cold or flu.
Allen53 wrote:
Pretty hilarious and demented to see that no one disputes the figures in the chart (um. because they are accurate) yet they are still pretending there was a pandemic and believe in the pretend measures that are mandated.
Mass psychoses and social engineering at it's finest.
Meanwhile follow the money.
What's hilarious (and inexplicable) is how you are permitted to spam this website with nonsense and disinformation,
YMMV wrote:
Obvi wrote:
Let's see if I've got this right.
You disagreed with absolutely nothing that dolan bray posted (at least you certainly posted absolutely ZIP that contradicts dolan bray's post) . With this, you concluded he was a "troll" and a "riot-winger"?
Did I get that right?
A sh!tpile of "what ifs" doesn't add up to any kind of useful reality. What I posted was and is the reality.
As for anyone proposing the supposedly insurmountable effects of high population density: with a population nearly that of NYC, higher population density and an earlier infection history, Hong Kong has a total of 84 deaths. Not a typo, that is 84, not 84K. Without a Cuomo or de Blasio involved, and an intrinsically healthier population (highest meat consumption and longevity in the world), this scamdemic is no worse than a cold or flu.
You've posted zero useful information. Nothing.
Let me know when you've got something.
old news old views wrote:
old news wrote:
And do they also want the lives of the other 99.9 to be shutdown just so they can see their grandkids grow up???
COVID has done a great job of highlighting the selfishness and the inherent instability within the USA. "It's all about me and screw how my actions might impact others". Nice.
No. Covid has done a great job of highlighting the greed and inherent instability of a service economy. “Everyone lockdown to keep my grandma safe while I work my white collar job from home. But I won’t think twice ordering takeout from the guy whose hourly wage got cut at the local restaurant, who doesn’t have health insurance, and exposes himself to the virus daily. In fact, instead I’ll pat myself on the back for “supporting small business.”
The rich got even richer during this pandemic while they protected themselves from the virus. The poor kept on working for hourly wages, that is, IF they were lucky to keep their jobs