Shannon Rowbury 8:40 3k, Kerr 2:17 1k, Amos 1:15 600 And More In Portland

Pretty shocked myself with the Bowerman team running that fast with only with a couple of runners at the end . Very impressive. Engles isn't a guy with enough focus to go run a fast time trial . He needs a crowd to pull him along. The 2:17 is pretty fast by Kerr.

Amory wrote:

Pretty meh for Koko and Engels...I wonder if it was part of a workout or an honest effort...

I guess it was off training (no special race preparation). They also did the 2x2x400 - more of a fun race, apparently - and in between her two races Koko was the second pacer of Shannon until 500m to go.

What Nike shoes was Shannon wearing? https://www.instagram.com/p/CCzx-vEpvlo/?igshid=tpsthwjukikh

Nigel's out of shape. I hope he didn't have to flail his arms to go that slow.

SecretmeetObserver wrote:

What Nike shoes was Shannon wearing?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCzx-vEpvlo/?igshid=tpsthwjukikh

Found them. I think. Nike ZoomX Dragonfly:

albanese wrote:

Engels just lacks discipline, we've all known that for a while. It's one of the reasons he transferred out of NC State. It's one of the reasons he lives in a van.

While other more disciplined athletes are improving during the COVID pandemic, he's getting worse.

Jeez, you’re really anti Engels for some reason, huh?

How does he lack discipline due to the fact that he left the meatgrinder program at NC State for a wonderful situation at ole miss? He continued his rise into being a stud at ole miss, and he has a van that he travels in. How exactly do either of those things make him undisciplined? I’m genuinely curious.

So in short, people are different. Gotcha

albanese wrote:

Engels just lacks discipline, we've all known that for a while. It's one of the reasons he transferred out of NC State. It's one of the reasons he lives in a van.

While other more disciplined athletes are improving during the COVID pandemic, he's getting worse.

I’d argue living in a van takes great discipline. Much more than being a loser trolling lets run.

He is more talented than some guys who are racing faster.

cbncc wrote:

Rowbury hasn’t had a significant performance since 2017 — 8:40 is a huge step forward. Probably puts ber in the 14:50-15:00 range for 5k right now

Agree, she looks good; so does Kerr. Rowbury [post-pregnancy strength and endurance returning] and Kerr [post-collegiate build up] will both likely benefit from the Corona delay to the OGs. Provided they stay healthy, of course. Rowbury deserves to make it and do well. She has been cheated so many times in the past, and deserves more recognition for what she has achieved. It would be somewhat interesting to see a Rowbury vs Simpson match-up again, though the new breed will probably upset the show.

Engels did well in the first 400m leg (vs Amos) particularly, especially considering he'd run the 3000m previously. Maybe something there, and the boy has better speed than thought.

BTC was more impressive last week by a long way overall though - shouldn't complain, as it's nice to see at least some effort being made to televise these races, and get something out there for the fans.

One thing - they should get decent post-race interviews. Make it more like a real meet, and it'd be good for the athletes exposure.

One thing - they should get decent post-race interviews. Make it more like a real meet, and it'd be good for the athletes exposure.[/quote]

Agreed!

quakerfan wrote:

It's Nia AKINS--- she's a two-time NCAA runner-up, the second fastest indoor collegian of all time, an Ivy League legend, and arguably one of the most influential and popular recent pro runners. At least spell her name right...

Who?

tj wrote:

cbncc wrote:

Rowbury hasn’t had a significant performance since 2017 — 8:40 is a huge step forward. Probably puts ber in the 14:50-15:00 range for 5k right now

Agree, she looks good; so does Kerr. Rowbury [post-pregnancy strength and endurance returning] and Kerr [post-collegiate build up] will both likely benefit from the Corona delay to the OGs. Provided they stay healthy, of course. Rowbury deserves to make it and do well. She has been cheated so many times in the past, and deserves more recognition for what she has achieved. It would be somewhat interesting to see a Rowbury vs Simpson match-up again, though the new breed will probably upset the show.

Shannon ran a 15:05 5000m last year at the end of the season. I thought that was a good result for being about a year post pregnancy but I was sort of hoping she would be more like an 8:30 runner now. Would also love to see what type of 1500m speed she has right now. Obviously it is a bit hard to put these type of races in context given how odd this season is. I do hope she has one more good season in her.

It will be interesting to see what events people pick for next year between the 1500 and 5000m. One event could end up pretty stacked...

You'd expect Rowbury at 35 and about 2 years after giving birth to be around her PB in the 3k?

ncaa money wrote:

He is more talented than some guys who are racing faster.

And?

What is the point of time trialing fast right now?

Keep your fitness up, stay in a good place, and Craig will be ready for when real racing returns.

You race to win, not time trial.

Jo72 wrote:

You'd expect Rowbury at 35 and about 2 years after giving birth to be around her PB in the 3k?

After 2 years pregnancy isn't much of an issue. Being 35 probably is:) I am counting on her 3000m PR being a bit weak compare to her 1500m and 5000m. 8:40 is like a 15:05 5000m. I was hoping she was more in 14:50 shape (down around 8:30) type shape. 8:40 is sort of a middle of the road result. It isn't a progress off of last year but you would also go for a season opening mark, it isn't bad.

Overall, things were more "interesting" than exciting. It is so difficult right now for the athletes and they all deserve a big high five for putting forth the effort (and risk). Kudos to the announcers and others who worked to stage the meet.

A big tease in a way with Amos and Brazier on the same track but not actually going head to head.

I know that the mixed gender relays are popular but I'd rather see the legs segregated by sex. It wasn't particularly pretty to watch Brazier blow by Koko on that last lap.

And yes, we know Shannon could have run much faster given the circumstances. She's doing great and hopefully will complete in some serious races later this year.

After the recent magnificent efforts of Houlihan and Schweitzer, I'd rather watch these Portland races than some of the gimmicky races like that Zurich event. Given the current situation, I wouldn't bet on any North American athletes going over to Europe.

We may have already seen as good as it's gonna get although it would be nice to see more of these limited events, maybe something down in Florida for the sprinters and jumpers. Sandi Morris was down there for her solo effort during the Zurich event last week.

KSTJ wrote:

Amory wrote:

Pretty meh for Koko and Engels...I wonder if it was part of a workout or an honest effort...

I guess it was off training (no special race preparation). They also did the 2x2x400 - more of a fun race, apparently - and in between her two races Koko was the second pacer of Shannon until 500m to go.

I find Engels being almost keeping up with Amos in the 400m relays after having run sub 8 min not long before (and 7:53 is not obviously easy for a 3:34 runner who is more a 800/1500m than a 1500/3k/5k guy) quite impressive. And Koko's 2:37 is worth about 2:02/4:03 and afterwards she ran 2500m in ca. 2:55 pace and then she kept almost up with two sub 2 800m runners in the 2x400 (according to the official splits she apparently ran the fastest first leg of the women). I'd say that's pretty good or in any case both the 1000m and the 2x400 are better than the 2:04 800m a week or two ago.

Heard amos hamstring was hanging by a thread